Question but no sugar coating
11I’m a women and my dad died when I was 41 (this past September) I want to know , how long did you give your partner grace before it was too long after the death of a parent? Please keep in mind my age if possible, I know people loose their parents way younger but I feel like parents are living a lot older these days. Please don’t look me up bc I want the hard cold truth. I want to know if I’m the asshole or my boyfriend is or if it’s just the situation?
When I say situation (please don’t let this factor in to your response bc I know my situation was not like everybody’s). I’ve taken care of my father for the past 15-20 years. It started when he was loosing his vision and I said he shouldn’t drive anymore. So we decided I would do everything for him (even though I had just recent moved out of home at 27). Then a few years late my dad was diagnosed with cancer so I drove him everyday, all day to appointments. All while I worked full time and had a house of my own to take care of and then got hurt at work and had my own difficulties. A couple years later he chose to have a throat cancer removal surgery, lost his vision, lost his mobility to eat and swallow and eventually his hearing. I became his eyes and ears taking care of his house and everything thing to do with it (for majority of ten years). I was always my dad’s primary caregiver. I made sure he had a voice and that voice was heard. Whether it was to do with credit cards, house bills, hospital bills, insurance ( I can’t count how many hours I sent in the phone with insurance) and ect. All while trying to maintain my own life of friends, sanity, my relationship, house and ect.
After his passing it’s hit me really hard! My life has just stopped. There’s no one to care for or love. No one to voice up for. My relationship is in the gutter bc I don’t know what to do with my life. I just sit all day and think about how I could have done better and how much I regret (even though I said I was never gonna regret anything with my father).
I dont want anybody’s sympathy’s (I’m definitely not looking for that) I really want to know if I’m taking to long to grieve
Forgive me if I didn’t spell things right, I didn’t read over this. I just want to know about the grieving process. I know everybody has their own but I want to know how long before you were fed up work your significant’s otbers.
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Ask your therapist if you have one for a referral to a grief support group. I’m very serious. If you don’t, then contact a local hospice and ask for recommendations. It helps to know you are not alone
Yes, it’s too early to be over it. Because you’re never over it. But you want your life back ? Then get some help.
Everyone grieves very very differently. I was not close to my parents at all, for, well reasons. As a child I was my daddy’s girl. My mother died when I was 26. My father when I was 67. She was 56. He was 93. I may have only seen him once a year or so, but I still grieved.
@Cerridwyn Excellent response!
@Cerridwyn @Tadlem43
I totally agree with all of the above.
Disclaimer: While I am a real physician assistant with a 2nd degree [and working experience in psychology], but none of what follows constitutes medical or professional advice…
I have to start by saying that since you were his primary caregiver for so long and in such a comprehensive way, his passing HAD TO leave a HUGE void in your life.
I have counseled any number of patients grieving the loss of their parents.
…and in doing so, I always liken the loss of a parent to the near-equivalent of the sun not coming up in the morning or gravity no longer being in effect- because it’s true!
Just like those other permanent and constant things, [until last September, at least] he was there before you, and he was there for every day of your life after you arrived [until September] even if you didn’t necessarily see him every day [which clearly you did for, at least the last decade =10 years x 365 = daily for 3650 days].
This is true even when [unlike you and your dad] the adult offspring and the parent weren’t particularly close or able to relate well to each other.
So, if you said that you weren’t grieving, I’d have to call bullshit, or else assume that you were a heartless, soul-less sociopath. [Hint- you’re clearly not!]
…oh, and you’re also clearly not the Asshole!
On the other hand, the statements I quote next cause me to be concerned that you may at risk for sliding into what used to be termed “ineffective grieving”.
“My life has just stopped. There’s no one to care for or love. No one to voice up for. My relationship is in the gutter bc I don’t know what to do with my life. I just sit all day and think about how I could have done better and how much I regret (even though I said I was never gonna regret anything with my father).”
Mind, you’re clearly still in the early stage of grief, but some of what you said- especially the part about your life having stopped, the [maybe somewhat obsessive] thinking about regrets, and the relationship issues you didn’t really go into, lead me to think that you may be at increased risk of developing a ‘Prolonged Grief Disorder (PGD)’
Psychology, counseling, and psychiatric professionals have and use a diagnostic manual called the DSM-5-TR to categorize mental and emotional problems
In the DSM-5-TR, the term for ineffective grieving leading to a depressed mood, characterized by persistent and intense grief, is “Prolonged Grief Disorder (PGD)”.
Here’s a more detailed explanation:
Prolonged Grief Disorder (PGD):
This disorder is characterized by persistent and intense grief that causes significant distress and impairment in daily functioning, lasting for more than 12 months following the loss of a close attachment.
Distinguishing PGD from other conditions:
PGD is distinguished from other problems occurring after loss, namely depression and PTSD.
Symptoms of PGD:
PGD involves persistent and intense longing for the deceased, preoccupation with thoughts and memories of the lost person, and difficulty accepting the death, among other symptoms.
Impact of PGD:
PGD can lead to significant impairment in work, health, and social functioning.
Treatment:
If grief continues and causes a prolonged and deep depression with physical symptoms such as poor sleep, loss of appetite, weight loss, and even thoughts of suicide, you may have a condition known as complicated bereavement. Talk with your doctor as soon as possible.
Note:
The DSM-5-TR classifies PGD as a subtype of other specified trauma and stressor-related disorders.
The BOTTOM LINE: seek help ASAP- counseling will likely be really really helpful in coping with this HUGE loss in your life.
Posting this topic here is a great start, but is no substitute for help from a professional.
If you don’t know where else to turn, you can use these resources:
The National Suicide Prevention Lifeline: 988
Crisis Text Line: Text “HOME” to 741741
SAMHSA (Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration) Helpline: 1-800-662-HELP (4357)
…and no you don’t have to be or feel suicidal to call 988…
God bless you and your dad, now do what he would have wanted, and get help yourself!
@Cerridwyn @Tadlem43
Just a further note to say that when @Cerridwyn said: “You’ll never be over it”, that statement, while true, may make it seem like the situation is hopeless, but while the loss is always there, hopefully [and usually] over time, the acute and all-encompassing pain and grief etc., lessen and become more distant and tolerable.
But don’t be surprised when odd moments and events bring it all up again- it happens, but as you keep on moving forward, it happens less and less often.
@PhysAssist @Tadlem43 That you will never be over it is not meaning hopeless was not the intent. It was the fact that he is a part of you for as long as you exist.
As much as my mother and I did not get along, there were times 20 years after she died that my heart strings would tug and I would think that I never could share this moment with her. (Please note she was not traditionally abusive. she was raised in the south before WWII and was a functional alcoholic. she did not understand her bisexual daughter who even as a child didn’t see a difference between people based on the color of their skin or where they came from)
What @Cerridwyn said.
@Cerridwyn @Thumperchick @PhysAssist
This seems great stuff to me
Both when my mom died and when my dad died, it was some years. The worst was the first year. It was very intense.
The second year I was definitely grieving, but it wasn’t as consuming
And then things began to sort of returned to normal although I was changed because the impact of that relationship and that loss just doesn’t leave you the same
I would say that returning to the sense of having regular interest in life is a slow thing for many of us and you were so very involved that it’s going to be possibly more intense and more time-consuming than it might be for many people
Because it took up so much of your time you’re going to have to figure out what you’re gonna do with all the time you spent on having the relationship with him
And that’s apart from the grieving
I totally think checking out groups that focus on grieving might be great
if need be try more than one group if one doesn’t seem to work for you
Then the therapy thing if you are really feeling stuck, I would really go for that and do it face-to-face. Nothing virtual or teletherapy or anything like that.
And once again find somebody you are completely comfortable with hopefully get some referrals from your position and also from some friends and maybe have a sit down with a number of them before you choose
And then if you find that you have chosen a therapeutic relationship that then become seriously problematic, discuss that with a therapist, but if you need to, you can change therapist and that’s OK
The focus of the therapy will be on you and you getting through your current situation and finding the meaning and depth of it while being able to live a normal life and keeping a sense that your life is incorporating the meaning it needs to incorporate from all these experiences And that your relationship with your dad stays fresh in your mind
it’s a long hard path
you’re totally gonna be in all our thoughts
Another thing that can help
Take a walk daily hopefully in a nice area where you can see things bloom where you can see trees and it’s pleasant
Even if it’s just 20 minutes just take that walk
Take long walks if you feel like it, but don’t force yourself
being outside in a pleasant place can help you feel like you are kind of reconnecting to many things that you didn’t pay so much attention to while you were so consumed by caring for your dad
The world still has a lot to offer. It’s just gonna take you to sometime this very slowly forge a new path forward that works for you
@Cerridwyn @f00l @Thumperchick
Well-said!
We all grieve in our own way and on our own time line. Do not compare your progress to others, it is not the same. Take your time and like @Kyeh and @Cerridwyn said maybe find a grief counselor or a support group where you can express your thought and feelings.
You got this, we are all here for you
And, of course, Charliedoggo offers cuddles and pb treats!!
@tinamarie1974 I came here to say the same thing. There is no normal for grief. Everyone is an individual and everyone’s relationships with those they lost are unique.
There is no correct way to grieve and no correct length of time. However long it takes and however hard it is for you IS normal and acceptable. You should feel no guilt for grieving nor should you feel any guilt for any length of time it takes to recover.
@Kyeh and @Cerridwyn are right - your best path to healing is to find a competent professional. It’s not an admission of weakness or failing on your part. It’s a recognition that this is a path that is unclear and you need a guide just like you would if you were visiting a foreign country where you don’t speak the language.
I’d also suggest you might want to discuss including your boyfriend in the counseling (or some portion of it). I’ll just say that while he may not communicate it well or even particularly compassionately, he’s probably scared he’s losing you because of this and he doesn’t know how to handle it. If he didn’t love you, he’d likely just walk. Don’t give up on him. He could be a huge asset in your own healing, but he’ll need guidance as well. You could actually come out of this a stronger couple.
And - be careful of advice from strangers on the internet…
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@Star2236 @ybmuG I like the suggestion to include the boyfriend in the counseling. Not everyone grieves in the same way, and not everyone loves their parents in the same way.
We don’t know the situation (and possibly you don’t either), but your boyfriend:
I consider it very likely that it’s a combination of more than one of those, especially the last.
It’s also very likely that he could benefit from therapy as much as you. He may not need help overcoming the grief, but it sounds like he needs help understanding it. And he may have something of his own to overcome in its place. (a lot of us do)
OMG - it’s absolutely too soon for you to be “over” this! I had kind of the opposite situation, my much older husband died after I’d been his caregiver, and my mother was the one telling me to “move on.” And when I went back to work the woman who was my dept. head for a while was impatient too. It’s just ignorance on their part and I would strongly recommend that you find a compassionate therapist who can help you with this. You really deserve to take all the time you need and be understood.
Not to be a downer, but sometimes you’re just never over it.
Cerridwyn probably has the most useful response. You put a lot of your life, your recent life at that, into somebody. And now all that has suddenly stopped and you’re, for lack of a better word, traumatized.
There’s no specific grace period or structured moving on unless you’re being guided on a very narrow path by experienced people you trust. Things kind of just happen, and you can snap back or spiral down. And then you repeat the steps to recover again (or possibly find new ways to readjust).
In addition to seconding ALL the above I’ll just add that grief can be all over the place and may just pop up at odd moments forever, at least that’s the way it’s been for me. My father went to a grief counselling group at church after my mother died; he was a very repressed person and I suspect that grief drove him into some odd beliefs about cancer treatments that he became kind of a bore about but people who cared about him put up with it. Having said that I assume pretty much everyone gets hit with grief in their lives and I guess some people deal with it by repressing it? If someone tells you to get over it and move on you could try asking them how THEY did but beware, it might turn out that they just bottled it up waiting for someone to dump it on!
There is a load of good advice above, so I won’t try to amplify on it. But when I lost my partner of 20 years to pancreatic cancer, which took over a year to happen (and was never really in doubt), I penned this variation on a famous bit you may have seen:
I will not deny grief; denial is the soul-killer. Denial of grief is a denial of love; I will embrace my grief, and in time it will flow past me and through me. And when the grief is gone, all that will remain is the love that no longer has a place to go - and I will cherish it, because it is what I have left.
As others have said, it takes as long as it takes. You had the strength to get here, you will find the strength to get past this in time. I wish there was something I could say that would help more than that.
I am continually amazed at and humbled by the compassion, thoughtfulness and grace in our com-meh-nity.



@Star2236 as others have said, grief takes time. Lots of time. It’s not that you “get over it”, it is more that you slowly incorporate what has happened into your life (often not as a conscious effort) without tearing you apart. What you are going through is normal, the timeline is normal, there is nothing wrong with you. You are grieving and the path you take when grieving is hard.
People who have not been though this do not understand. This society does not deal with death and dying well nor the grief that follows. My boss, not 8 days after my brother’s funeral, told me I needed to stop upsetting her staff looking so glum; that her brother had almost died so she knew how I felt. Really? Her brother lived. WTF?
Your boyfriend likely has not experienced this with a parent or sibling (or child) and so has no clue that grief is a long, hard journey that takes time, lots of time, and much of what goes on isn’t under your control. They just don’t get it because they haven’t experienced it. And don’t understand this takes a long time to learn to incorporate this into your life so that you can keep living without your grief and sadness tearing you apart.
Or if they have experienced it your grief triggers them and they don’t want to think about it so they expect you to accommodate them by keeping your grief to yourself. They expect you to keep your grief to yourself because you are upsetting “others”/them. Of course there is the rare person who understands without having had to experience that, but plenty of people don’t.
In many ways grief is an invisible disability. I am not sure that someone who has not been through this really understands on an emotional level (and for many, but certainly not all, the grief of grandparents or aunts and uncles or even cousins dying isn’t as intense or as long for reasons I am not sure of but am guessing that it is partly because grandparents, etc. aren’t part of their daily lives - it would be different if they were I’d think.) I don’t think they “get” that it is normal to struggle with grief for far longer than they think someone “should”. I don’t think they understand that compassion and empathy are needed for a long time with respect to this. They haven’t experienced it first hand and so have no real clue.
After my brother died (he was 24 and I was 26) it took me 3 months to even laugh again. I still think about his death on occasion and I can be triggered decades later. Yes when I am triggered the tears only last a few minutes but the feeling of grief is still there at that time. My father died 27 years ago. Same thing with him. Nearly failed my classes in grad school that term (and it was made worse by having to put down my cat the day after I arrived home after his funeral).
I found for about 3-6 or so months after their deaths I couldn’t accomplish anything much, get anything done in a timely manner. I was a basket case in that regards and was sort of paralyzed in that respect. By the end of year one I was feeling more “normal” but still had periods nearly every day where at least for a moment or two I’d feel the grief and often fight off the tears. By the end of year two life was far “better” on the grief front.
In both cases I would have dreams about them - in fact I had one about my dad - I was with him and talking with him - a couple of weeks ago. I sometimes would feel their presence. About 8 or 9 months after my dad’s death I had a dream where he came to me comforted me, hugged me (he was not a big hugger in life) and said good by. I woke up crying but it was comforting. As other have said you still miss them for so many different reasons many decades later - just not in the emotionally disabling way you do now.
And you can still briefly feel grief and cry (like I am doing while typing this) years later. You somehow learn how to talk about them without it triggering your grief and pain, how to tell stories about them and laugh and remember them fondly, tell stories so the generation under you knows more about their grandparent, or in the case of my niece who was 3 when her dad died, knows more about her dad. Once when I told her that her dad would be proud of her for something she did - and this was years later when she was an adult with young kids of her own - a few tears ran down her face and she said she really misses him. But there are still times, when you think about them, really think about them, that the tears flow and your pain is triggered. It is just far more briefly the further away you are from their death.
In both cases I found it took about 2 years before I didn’t think about them every single day and I still cried fairly frequently that second year. BUT I was not as falling apart after the first year. It was much easier to enjoy life, to think about them and good memories without crying. I was able to function normally again nearly all the time.
In some respects grief is like an earthquake with lots of aftershocks. Over time the periods of intense grief, sadness, tears… last a shorter period of time and those periods are further and further apart. The intensity can be as, or nearly as, intense when it hits but because it starts to last shorter and shorter periods of time it isn’t as disabling. And after a while you can talk about the person who died without having to work as hard fighting back the tears… further down the road you can talk about them without crying and being triggered. Most of the time anyway.
I am not trying to discourage you. Eventually you will start to feel happy again.but it takes time, lots of time. You won’t be carrying the heavy emotional load of grief, sadness, missing him around with you in a way that you feel like crawling into bed and pulling the covers over your head. You are currently learning how to incorporate this loss into your life in a way so that you can live again. You will never stop missing him, it just won’t be a disabling missing.
The suggestion of a grief group (or grief counseling) is a good one. There you can talk about what you are going through without judgement with people who truly “get it”. They can tell you how their journey has been and if they are further down the road than you are it gives you some idea of the path ahead. If they are newer to grief than you are you may well see how what is going on with you is changing a bit as you are learning how to pick yourself up and start moving forward again. This isn’t something you ‘get over’ or ‘put behind you’. It is something that you learn how to incorporate into your life so that eventually it doesn’t continue to tear you apart.
And you are now an orphan (My uncle, when his mom died at 99, said, “I’m an orphan. I don’t know what I am going to do”. And he meant every word of it even though is mother had suffered from dementia for years. Emotionally he relied on her being alive and being his mother even though her time for mothering him was long gone due to the dementia.
I wish you strength as you grieve. And your grief is a testament to your love for him and his love for you. Take care.
@Kidsandliz Really well said.
Also @Star2236, you said
I can relate to this so well and it’s so painful, but you definitely did your absolute best, under really hard circumstances. It will take time to recover from that too, but be as kind to yourself as you were to him, and allow those little breaks in the clouds where you feel happy or amused by life even though you’re still so sad.
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@Star2236 Might-have-done is a trap. It’s best to just accept that you did what was possible, to the best of your ability at the time, because you were no better at predicting the future than any of the rest of us. And no one reasonably asks more than that.
We each grieve differently based on our situation and the relationship we had with our lost loved ones. That said, your loss was so recent and he was a HUGE part of your daily life, so this is a monumental change for you. You should take as much time as you need to get through this but make sure you are taking care of yourself too. I lost my mom 14 years ago and can still fall apart given the right trigger, but that is okay. The grief is deep because the love was deep. Sending huge hugs your way
I lost Daddy when I was 3. Too young for many memories…
I lost Momma at 27. Too many memories.
I still have days where grief hits me like a brick and I’m crying and going through it again for a few minutes or hours.
My only advice? Feel what you feel when you feel it and then do something else. Find something to do to remind your subconscious that life does go on. Give yourself grace and permission to feel what you feel.
I had to suppress most of my emotions when Momma passed as my older sister (just her & I left) had a complete breakdown. Someone had to do the funeral and family stuff. That was me. 32 years later, as I go through boxes that have been long stored, I’ll come across memory stuff. If I can take the time to deal with it then, I do. If not, it goes into another box labeled Momma and closed back up to deal with later. I’ll take an evening, or a Saturday and go through the memory boxes. Cry a bit. Laugh a bit. Shake my head a lot. And then find something to comfort myself: a walk, a snuggle with a neighbor’s dog, an ice cream… Whatever feels right at the time. And life goes on.
Gentle hugs for your loss. Be gentle with yourself. There’s no time limit on grief. You have permission to blow raspberries at anyone who tries to tell you there is. Again, gentle hugs.
Ditto to all of the above. You should be allowed to take all the time you need. Big hugs to you.
My dad passed a year ago this week. He did have prostate cancer but that was not the official cause of death. While my family did not mark the occasion, I was in Las Vegas this week and I played a few hands of video poker and his favorite slot machine. Didn’t win but had fun.
Kind of the way you stay at the title of this topic and some of the things within your opening explanation make me wonder if you it’s kind of expect we might think you’re doing something wrong?
Losing a parent or somebody that close to us is incredibly consuming emotionally and mentally for so many of us
Losing a person we have cared for so intensely is also utterly consuming. I did care for a friend during his years of terminal cancer. I wasn’t the only one that I was one of a group who sort of scheduled ourselves
And when he was gone, it’s like it took me a year or something to figure out how to be alive and interact and stuff
So these terribly intense and consuming reaction or nothing unusual, although it is unique for each person
Grief is as much a physical process as it is an emotional or mental one
It affects your entire body. People are more likely to become ill or to die or to have accidents or similar things in the first couple of years because they’re so knocked out out of whack, physically, and emotionally.
In the case of losing somebody, you are terribly terribly close to your mental world is out of whack because that person was such a presence in your world and suddenly they’re gone, and you don’t know how to sort of knit your mental sense of who you are and what you’re stable touchstones are in terms of people and How you feel about things it’s all consumed by grief and also the shock of the depth of the change
In your case, probably greatly intensified by your multiple roles as family member as child and also a caregiver on a very intense level
So the intensity in the disorientation may be that much greater in your situation
Plus, there’s a thing that happens in children’s lives and their mental maps of the universe when parents die
Parents have always been there since the moment we arrived for those of us who have our parents still anyway
And so, in a sense, they have always stood between us and finality between us and eternity because there are customary assumptions that they’re mortality will come sooner than our will in most case cases
And losing a parent can create the additional shock of that sense that there’s now nothing in terms of other people nothing generational between oneself and the end of oneself or between oneself and eternity or the end of our own life
When my dad died, that was a pretty big hit for me just realizing that my generation me my peers. My friends of my generation would kind of be next in line.
That changed my perception of what human life is about in some subtle ways that are hard for me to articulate
It changed my sense of who I was
It wasn’t comfortable for a while at all. I felt very dislocated. I think it’s been years since the experience and so I don’t remember it clearly as I had awareness of it when it was pretty fresh
So you may find yourself reflecting on just these issues I don’t know if it happens to everybody or the most people, but it did happen to me
Another thing that I think is sort of common place and definitely happen to be both when my mother died, and then later when my father died
At first, the grief was just pure and searing like this mark that separated me from the rest of the world or something and that’s kind of what I felt as I went through each day I could go through the day, but I was apart from normal life in some big way And my thoughts were always about the loss and the person
Then overtime, those thoughts stepped back and became more part-time and a bit less intense although the intensity would recur in waves, I would feel left for a while and then more and sometimes the ways would come back so sharply it was like it was fresh and these could last a while
But as I began to sort of re-interest myself in normal life, I was so torn, and I felt so reprehensible in a way
Because part of me felt terrible every time I realized I didn’t think about the loss or the person for a little while or I sort of enjoyed something a little bit or something that I kind of didn’t wanna do turned out to be not too bad and I was capable of reacting a bit normally instead of just putting on a normal face
I would feel like I was betraying the person I lost in the memories because part of me was moving toward reintegrating to the world
But part of me wanted to hang on so hard to being consumed with grief because that was a way of holding on to some shred of what I have lost, which was the actual person
Sort of felt like I was betraying the memory or betraying the relationship or betraying the person by slowly starting to rejoin the world emotionally
And I was terribly torn about this
Part of me didn’t want to move forward at all, but wanted to stay immersed in the sense of acute loss and all the memories and thoughts as a way of not finally accepting that my dad was gone
I’m talking about it in a very intense way here and I didn’t really share this much with anybody at the time
But I think it’s something a lot of people feel it’s weird to start reintegrating and at the same time want to hold onto everything you felt during the loss because all those terrible feelings in a way or a mark of how precious that person was to us
And I had a lot of ambivalence about this
I never needed to resolve it by making a decision or talking with somebody about it or anything like that
Overtime it just worked itself out
Although grieving can sort of go sideways or get stuck as has been pointed out here it’s also a natural process that we have a capacity to endure and go through and be different because we went through this extreme process
And part of the process is finally accepting the totality of the loss in the here and now at least
No matter what our religious beliefs are
The practice or business of going through grief and getting to the point where at times it lifts a little bit and then feeling torn, wanting to go backwards and overtime starting to want to go forward as well
And having it when naturally, and then starting to feel resentment and fresh grief, because not only do, we grieve the person, but because our grief connects us so strongly to our awareness of the person and the loss, as our grief starts to win, we sort of grieve, our grief in a sense
Because if our grief is whining, that means we are accepting the loss
And fully accepting the loss can feel like a kind of betrayal in the beginning, although it isn’t one
Grief is a very complicated process, which is one reason why it’s so individual for every person and every relationship
But your title of this topic made me wonder if you thought we would think you were doing something wrong
And thinking that you’re doing something wrong while grieving is, I think. possibly akin to thinking you didn’t do enough while the person was alive
But you’re not doing anything wrong
This is hard for everyone who walks through it
And there is no guide or path for each individual, although we can comfort and wisdom from each other to some extent
If you believe you are stuck, then it makes sense to reach out
But don’t blame yourself for grieving if you can possibly not do so
Because it’s a natural process of the body of the mind and the soul and the emotions and a natural process of losing critical bonds when the person’s life comes to an end
Taking years to slowly heal from such a loss is not unusual or strange or in itself unhealthy
You are the best judge of whether it is time for you to possibly get a therapist or grief group
Or whether you just need to handle it as you are
But we certainly have nothing to approach you over. We have no hard terrible truth to tell you about how you’re handling it that just doesn’t even exist.
If significant others in your life, kind of don’t understand what’s going on and wish you would sort of. I don’t know bounce back and be the person they had before the loss or something.
My instinct would be to say that that person needs to educate themselves about the grieving process
Grieving is hard, but I cannot see how you are possibly in need of any critical perspective about your life from us
There’s inevitably a lot of of self blame involved in grief because there is a loss and we want to kind of find ways to find thought with ourselves for not doing enough or for not handling it properly
Just as we find shortcomings and how we treated the person when we still had the active relationship
I think fault finding of oneself is very common place in those that are grieving
It somehow makes the scale of the loss more human if we can find faults in ourselves to hold up to the light and reproach ourselves for
I did it I think many others do it
And I couldn’t help doing it and I suspect that is also common
But strictly speaking, it’s not true in the sense that finding fault with oneself is part of grieving, but that doesn’t mean one is actually a fault in any sense other than that one is not absolutely perfect about everything
Since none of us are absolutely perfect about everything we can always locate faults to magnify or focus on
Can you forgive yourself for not being perfect and let yourself grieve and can you forgive yourself for not grieving perfectly?
Do you really believe your dad would blame you for how you are grieving?
I hope he was a sort of person who would never have done anything like that
If that is true, and he would never blame you for how you are grieving then can you trust that there is wisdom in the perspective you know he would have?
Please take care of yourself
Please let other people assist you or be with you at times.
@f00l @Star2236
I felt exactly like this about my husband, like getting over being sad would mean losing the closeness to him. So you feel stuck between not wanting to be sad/not wanting to NOT be sad.
@Kyeh @Star2236
Yeah. I was dictating that while taking pix of the lunar eclipse and also doing some other stuff so it got messed up
When I talk about “grief wins” or “grief whining” what I meant was”grief wanes” or “grief waning”.
But I’ll blame Siri for the error
I hope it was kind of clear anyway
my conflict about wanted to keep grieving as intensely as I did in the beginning so that I could stay as connected as possible to the person I lost
All that I felt kind of around the end of the first year and in the first half of the second year after the loss
Before that it was more just pure grief
And after that I was just beginning to put everything together in a way that left me functional and made sense
I pretty much kept it to myself, but I avoided people a lot. I just didn’t wanna go out and do anything fun for a really, really long time.
or even anything relaxing a mildly entertaining I sort of just wanted to be alone so I could be with those feelings and thoughts
I’m guessing that that’s a natural reaction. We don’t wanna have to put on a social face or I have to pretend pretend we’re just not ready yet.
at least that’s how it felt for me
so I avoided things and minimize the length of time I spent with people to some large degree
@Star2236 I hope you find the energy if you can cause I know it’s tough
to be attentive to your own health and to take care of it
You don’t have to be perfect or anything like that. Just try not to let it slide too far.
Because people who are in deep breathing have higher incidences of accidents and medical stuff that could possibly be serious and this is extremely well documented and known
so please if you get too far into grief so that it’s just consuming you in a way that you know is not OK
or if you get too stuck
or if you encounter any physical symptoms or have inattention, which is a huge thing when you’re grieving
Just please be extremely careful
Please be more careful when you drive because inattention is going to affect you then also
be careful about dumb stuff adults do like tripping and dropping things and stepping on things wrong
if any thing presents in your body or your medical world that looks like it might be serious. Don’t put it off. Go find out.
Please I hope keep up with all your medical appointments and make sure that they all know that you are grieving so they can just keep an eye on things that might need attention
I’m sure @PhysAssist it can be far more specific about that sort of thing if it’s warranted
if you have regular meds or regular things you do to protect your health. I hope you are able to keep up with that.
And with the meds, please don’t stop taking them just because things seem so dark or pointless or you just don’t have the energy or you just don’t feel like it so many days it’s just too much bother
I hope you just try to get yourself to do it anyway take the meds go for the walks
You don’t have to ask much more of yourself than that plus the basic care that we all need to give ourselves as adults going through life
And please don’t respond to any of this until you damn well want to
it completely OK to damn well not want to for a while even a long while
they’re gonna be plenty of times when you just don’t have the energy or want to spend the energy doing the social stuff you would normally do without thinking. that’s cool
we will be thinking of you no matter about that
no reciprocation is necessary. It really is cool.
@f00l @Kyeh @Star2236
“deep breathing” likely should be deep grieving.
Otherwise spot on.
Evidence:
Physiological correlates of bereavement and the impact of bereavement interventions
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3384441/pdf/DialoguesClinNeurosci-14-129.pdf
@Kyeh @PhysAssist @Star2236
Siri corrupted a bunch of my thoughts I always blame Siri right I mean, I don’t want to take responsibility myself
so got a bunch of things wrong and because I was whatever and I didn’t go back and look her corrected
oh well, maybe y’all aren’t gonna throw me out anyway just this once
Apologies for gibberish
@f00l @Kyeh @Star2236

No necessito, but maybe ditch the evil AI ‘assistant’.
@f00l @PhysAssist
Or proofread!
@f00l @Kyeh @PhysAssist Always proofread, you might have something out!
@f00l @Kyeh @PhysAssist @werehatrack
@f00l @pakopako @PhysAssist @werehatrack
Maybe we need another thread for grammar/linguistics discussions; this is Star2236’s thread about a serious subject …
@pakopako
33. Be careful with you’re spelling, but if you make a mistake don’t loose your mind over it.
@f00l @Kyeh @pakopako @PhysAssist @werehatrack I was an ESL teacher. I’d love a thread like that!
Yes and thanks, but also I have a guilty conscience.
Best,
PA