I don’t know about that, @JT954… I live just north of San Diego, in what is arguably the best climate in the continental US… and I could definitely use an outdoor heater a handful of nights here (especially in our “winter”).
@Mehrocco_Mole I used to spend a week early every year in P’cola, visiting my parents and going to the opera. I’ve also spent time there in the summer - I much preferred the January or February visits.
@westownsend You do know you’re quoting a fictional character from a TV entertainment show, right?
“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” – Isaac Asimov
@mike808 If you think I was seriously quoting Dr. Spaceman as some type of authority on any subject matter other than the location of the human heart, then I’m concerned that you have encountered people that actually believe TV doctors and I’m very very afraid :|
@Kenbo And every one of those “articles” on the entertainment website you referenced as your authority has the same prelude or a variation of it:
"The more experiments that were performed using the (disproven theory X ), the more dubious it became as a theory. "
The problem with climate change deniers is that they offer no alternative better theory supported by the evidence, nor do they provide any experiment other than one where failure to prove their hypothesis results in extinguishing all life on the planet. I believe that is the very definition of hubris. And I’m not willing to bet my own or your descendents lives on it. The same consideration is all that the rest of humanity must insist upon.
@mike808 Look, all I’m saying is that scientists aren’t always correct. They would be the first to admit it (and yes, that can be entertaining - remember the whole “flat Earth” thing?). Even if the current global warming scientific theories are correct, and our behavior is contributing to global warming, you still have to remember that this is at least the fifth time the earth has experienced this phenomenon, with temperature variations that have resulted in no ice at all on the planet to the existence of ice all the way to the equator. All before humans were a factor. We might be able to accelerate it with our Hummers or slow it down a bit by reducing our cattle farms, but the Earth has already shown us that nature always corrects imbalances, and it will continue to do so until the sun explodes and swallows the planet whole. We’re just lucky enough to be along for the ride. If you REALLY care that much about your descendants, you ought to shift your political energy from the symptom we call global warming to the real problem of overpopulation. It is the cause of just about and any social symptom you can think of. I’d jump on that bandwagon with you in a heartbeat, regardless of what the scientists say.
@Kenbo I think our president, along with his collaborators, is working on just such a Final Solution and deciding, as our glorious supreme ruler, I mean president, which populations, exactly, will be deemed worthy of surviving the Great Culling/Cleansing.
You might have heard other names for this event, such as “The Rapture”, “Sharia Law”, “World War III”, or “The Second Coming”. A glorious and glowing future awaits the non-believers and beliebers alike!
@mike808 Ah, yes - politics. The last of the great religions, which will surely destroy us all. In the meantime, I suggest we all sit around and enjoy some yummy marshmallows, toasted perfectly on the PureHeat 5100BTU Infrared Outdoor Heater.
@PantHeist If by “you people” you mean “people who question everything, regardless of how popular one argument may be,” then thank you for the compliment. Your chart is very cool - I’ve never seen it before, and I certainly cannot disagree with what it reports. I’m not really sure what your argument is, though, since I never said global warming doesn’t exist or isn’t exacerbated by humans. Your chart does kind of remind me of this one, though, which, as I said in my earlier post, shows the real problem:
@Kenbo YES! This! 8 billion times this!!! Our endless growth is simply unsustainable.
Crowded cities and the endless growth are contributing to a common RAGE in many people. Like being rats in a cage. Introduce a little bit of panic and watch the fireworks.
Even if we were all just pleasant as can be in the cities, there is a problem…
Throughout the ages, as the population exceeded that which the earth and our technology could sustain, a plague or whatever would come along and wipe out a good chunk of it. Now I know… we have more population now than during the (insert plague name here) time. Yes, because we have technology to help control the spread. Technology to grow more food per square foot. Eventually our tech won’t be able to control a plague or will hit a plateau of production output and we’re in big trouble. Our tech wll probably contribute to our own destruction (think, rapid global mass transit), reliance on a power grid not designed for the load, one drought year in the “bread basket”. Then we’ll get knocked back by a few billion people and start up again, probably with some religious / political leaders saying we need to hurry and repopulate the earth. Meh.
@Kenbo Without eugenics, genocide, or some natural catastrophe killing a bunch of humans, our population isn’t going to drop very quickly.
There are, however, things we can do to reduce carbon emissions and cull the effect that overpopulation has on the future of the planet. To say “we must reduce our population in order to solve climate change!” and ignore the things that are actually implementable, is not very helpful…
Move to electric vehicles and ships. This is, admittedly, a small impact; but research and success of these technologies opens doors for research into different parts of the energy sector, like…
Using cleaner energy, like solar, wind, and (gasp) nuclear. Oh, and if/when we get fusion figured out, we’re golden.
People could eat locally grown foods.
The planet could go vegetarian/vegan. This is actually a big one. Little known fact is that “an average family of four emits more greenhouse gases because of the meat they eat than from driving two cars.” The whole planet becoming vegan would reduce food-related carbon emissions by 70%. There would be a slew of economic issues that would have to be addressed if such a thing occurred, but it would be manageable. (source: http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20160926-what-would-happen-if-the-world-suddenly-went-vegetarian)
There’s really not a lot we can do about overpopulation. We can implement insane policies across the planet (like China restricting numbers of offspring). Even then, it would take generations.
So why point your finger at the things we cannot control and instead focus on the things we can?
You know, for the greater good.
Oh, and for the record, I’m not vegan or vegetarian. Because meat is tasty and I’m not perfect.
@njd Sounds like the safety switch turns it off if you mount it on the stand and tilt it down in a useful direction. Engineering fail. Mehbe you can hack the safety switch so it turns on when it’s tilted. Or Mehbe that will cause everything to be devoured in said hellish inferno. Life is full of hard choices.
@christinerenee Historians have traced “It’s all fun and games until someone puts an eye out” back to moms in ancient Rome. I suspect dads have been telling their kids to stop heating the outdoors since doors were invented.
I’ve tried a few different infrared outdoor heaters like this. They are all basically too underpowered to be useful in an open space. Best used in an enclosed or mostly enclosed area, like a garage or three season patio, etc. otherwise you can’t feel a thing if you are move the 2-3 feet away.
Dang Meh, depressed much? That was the saddest thing I’ve ever read to get me to buy something. Not donate to a charity mind you, the ASPCA totally has it over pretty much everyone there but, to sad sell a product, you win, hands down. At least the heater would dry up my tears when it reminded me of the write up. Can you give us something to smile about tomorrow?
all over the counter, electric space heaters are 5000 btu max. Do not tell anyone, but the best are the cheapest, old fashioned wires in a rectangle box, still sold in all hardware stores. It is better to put them on the floor, like the cheap ones are made to sit on. The reason, heat rises, so if you put it up on the stand, you will heat the air above my bald head. Also, they all work better inside of a warm store compared to your freezing garage. Please, do not stand too close, it is dangerous, clothes can catch on fire.
Since Current(amps) = Power(watts)/voltage
This thing requires 12.5 Amps instead of the 8.4 Amps listed at the top of this page in the description.
1500w/120v = 12.5 Amps
Important to know when calculating the safe load for a circuit.
The manual itself under the specifications has rounded it up to 15 Amps.
@RiotDemon I see. I can’t imagine many people would need that many. If you want to sell one or two of them, my username at gmail will reach me. Don’t know how much of a pain they will be to ship/if it would be worth it, but can’t hurt to find out.
I remember when I was a kid in the late 7os I was at a gas station and they had one of those rectangle shaped brownish wall heaters and I had a long coat and sure enough I caught the back of trench coat on fire.( I still remember that vividly too this day). I did the stop drop and roll.
@bigtom67 when I was a kid working at a Phillips 66 gas station in the early 80’s we had the same wall heater. The elderly white german shepherd watch dog that had arthritis and lived in the office had big brown scorched spots on his sides from leaning against it. He smelled like scorched hair too.
That was an absolutely wonderful piece of writing, and I just wanted to pop in here to tell the writer that reading it was 60 seconds of my life well-spent. Now I’m the one fretting over open doors and leaking kilowatts, but I have an excuse, you see. My house is heated by firewood and I, a little old lady with a bad back and a sour disposition, have to cut and carry the damned stuff myself on cold winter mornings because I’m too ornery to spend $75 to bring an outdoor heater inside.
Thinking about buying this to heat up my two conical fermenters for homebrewing… They live in my basement which, right now, is the perfect temperature for lagers, but soon will be too warm for lagers and too cold for ales.
It would be plugged into a temperature control unit that would switch it on and off dependent upon the temperature in the fermenters.
People who know about these heaters: overkill? underkill? perfectkill?
Got mine to fit together ok however the heating element is DOA out of the box. The control panel works so I know it’s getting power it just doesn’t actually heat up (which is kind of the whole point). I emailed Meh on Friday and they have passed the buck (should I expect anything else from a company called Meh?) and referred me to the manufacturer. I registered the product with the manufacturer as instructed and also sent them an email on Friday AM but so far I have received nothing back (not even an auto email confirmation that my product is registered). I’ll give it a few more days before initiating the nuclear option.
@gerardmeh On the first post of every product’s thread in the forum, there is a link to the warranty information for that deal. Usually it is the manufacturer, although sometimes Meh does the warranty for the product.
I hope the manufacturer gets your heater taken care of before it’s too warm to need it any more.