@Narwalt My wife has all manner of breathing issues and years ago, we bought a highly-rated, jet-engine-sound air cleaner which seems to help lessen such issues for her. I think the device, when new, was around $400. Anyway, I checked our last filter purchase (September 2020) and it was $239.99. I’m a little afraid to check on the current price… Oh yeah, $289.99. So I guess the answer is yes, I would consider $20 fairly cheap.
@erthian@Narwalt Typical HEPA-capable filter elements run $20 and up, though there are some very common ones that get cheaper because of the economies of scale that result. I have a couple with a higher capacity whose panels cost less than that, but the complete units were close to three times the price of this one. Over the long haul, mine is cheaper to run, but three of these would be more economical over the period of just a year or two. (I end up replacing the elements in mine about once a year, roughly.)
@1DisabledWarVet I mean, considering the Honeywell filters can run $50 each, and you need multiple for larger sizes like this… yea $20 each is pretty solid. There’s probably even cheaper options out there (of questionable quality), if you look around.
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Copywriter must be phoning it in from somewhere in Alaska?
Here in Texas we’ve had heat advisories last few days.
Temperature tomorrow afternoon slated for 93 degrees with a “feels like” of 104.
Supposed to be like that all week.
I don’t know about global warming, but damn sure warming here locally.
@phendrick On the other hand we had a day where it hit 81 in April followed a couple of days of snow flurries somewhere around April 23, and several more nights with freeze and frost advisories. I’m not even up by Lake Erie, I’m right at the tri-state OH-KY-IN border in southwestern Ohio. Went down to 46 last night.
@Faffs@phendrick I blame you, weirdos, in the rest of the country. Looks like 50s and 60s this week in the Pacific Northwest. Haven’t needed the AC yet this year.
@phendrick In the 90s here in Houston, which is above the historic norms for us at this time of year. DFW has been up there as well, and theirs often goes a trifle higher despite being closer to the frozen tundra of the arctic. (But Houston is still less miserable overall than Miami.)
@mehvid1@phendrick@werehatrack 37F when I got up this morning (NW OR). We had 14 inches of snow at our house in the last half of April. 2022 is starting out an odd year.
@Faffs I miss being able to drive close to Lake Erie during white-out conditions. [Might as well be driving with a blindfold on.] (My family used to visit relatives there Christmas time, including a cousin who lived along the southeastern lake shore.) I fully understand the phrase “lake effects snow”, much more than most Texans.
@ExtraMedium@Faffs Calling us weirdos? Have you looked around your region (Washington, Oregon, and especially that state San Francisco and LA are in)?
No offense meant, but…
@mehvid1 Somehow I’ve never made it to your town. I’ve been to El Paso and Fredericksburg but otherwise don’t drive west of Austin much. I generally go north or south from here (DFW or H town) or occasionally Sweetwater or Panhandle.
@phendrick I’m originally from metro NYC area. This part of Ohio literally goes into a tizzy over 1-2" of snow. Having gone to college in Buffalo NY oh yeah, lake effect snow! NY has a major snow belt, and a few minor ones. I lived in one of the minor ones, so coming out here, I was fully prepared for snow driving.
First time I saw an entire region shut down over 4" of snow was out here. Back in NY 4" was an inconvenience.
@Faffs@phendrick, On the other, other hand, keep in mind that you’re replying to phendrick who admitted that he isn’t sure about the global warming dilemma! Sheeze!!
I’m a mathematician by training. We take things very literally. Globally means EVERYWHERE. I don’t know for a fact that EVERYWHERE is warming at every moment.
Since you seem to betimplying that I am deficient in my scientific fact accretion, show me yours. How many degrees will it warm in Nome, Alaska, between this morning and Friday morning, say 8AM to 8AM? If you don’t know, then you don’t know about global warming, either. Sheesh! (At least get the word right. Sheeze doesn’t seem to appear in anyone’s dictionary other than yours.)
@phendrick, evidently, your inflated ego doesn’t allow a bit of sarcasm, but I think you are somewhat funny. I haveta ask, ‘Was that your intention’? Most normal humans aren’t as strict in the meaning or definition of words such as climate change, or ‘global’ warming. Neither definition specifies any exact location, but unless you hide under a rock, or a bunch of numbers, You already know that.
As far as my misspelling of Sheeze, I have to blame my dumb-ass ‘Smart’ phone’s neat spell-check feature for inserting the ‘n’ in my made up word, but ya have to admit a spelling error in a word just doesn’t compare to a Global Catastrophe by any measure, even of your mathematical expertize. Nonetheless, I did enjoy the reference to the word ‘Sneeze’! Very Shcool,… Oh, Hell, there goes my spell- check,…again!! I meant Cool, buy not in a Global sense!
@jandrese Serious answer: the lock is to prevent accidental settings changes where young children or pets are present and likely to mess with the unit or bump into it.
@awk If you want to make something sound more important than it really is, use Latin. This is the principle behind the continuing use of (often horribly mangled) Latin in the courts and the legal profession. (They do not confine their mangling to Latin; any borrowed term may get folded, spindled, mutilated, and julienned, particularly here in Texas.)
This is made by Aukey apparently, who recently got kicked off of Amazon for feedback manipulation. Also it’s discontinued. But good price for auto-sensing air purifier. Buy?
@jacksons8 They must have been really blatant with their 5-star bribes if they got tossed because of it. (That said, I’ve reported every incident of such review-buying that I’ve encountered, and most of the listed items vanished shortly afterwards. And all of the ones I have found were pretty blatant.)
@jacksons8@werehatrack Bribes I’ve seen were offers for extended warranties or (in the case air purifiers) a free air filter in exchange for proof of a 5-star review on Amazon. This was communicated via a printed card packed with the item inside the package. I was surprised how brazen the companies were.
@jacksons8@natefarious@werehatrack
It was mainly third-party resellers, and other less reputable brands without their own brand store on Amazon (another Amazon domination flex to squeeze brands into paying Amazon to host a dedicated store) were pumping product through resellers competing against each other for commissions/volume discounts. They were marketed to resellers (mostly Chinese & Indian) as side-hustles to get rich quick if you moved enough product. So of course they all did whatever they could to game the system that Amazon games against them in the first place.
Now you’re seeing crap like putting a photoshop of a “Amazon’s Choice” logo into the product image to trick people into thinking it was selected by Amazon to advertise (which is all Amazon’s Choice really is - a paid “advertorial” badge. It is NOT some kind of product review editorial like it pretends to be - all in the service of taking more of the sellers profit margin so Bezos can build more penis rockets.
Will you sell one similar to those claratin ones you sold a few years ago? That one could destink a whole room, not just a very small corner of one. That one is great, I’d like one for other rooms in the house.
@btwonder@mike808 There have been documented examples of inkjet printers for which a new set of cartridges was more expensive than replacing the printer - except that the original tanks were smaller than the replacements, so you got screwed either way.
@btwonder@mike808@werehatrack Indeed. Years ago the “on sale” printers came with full cartridges and would often sell for same or less than just the cartridges. Then they gradually moved to “starter” cartridges. On laser printers, this was still usually enough for about 500 pages, where a full toner would be 2-3K pages. On inkjets, the worst IMHO, they actually now say it’s just enough to prime the system and print a few pages for testing so you can run to the store and spend another $50-100 on ink cartridges.
Would be nice if at least the stores offered to take in the old printers and packaging as e-waste…
@btwonder@pmarin@werehatrack
I have to say, I’ve been a subscriber to HP’s “Instant Ink” program, and I wish they’d promote it more. Also, Costco used to have discounted prepaid/gift cards for the service. It seems they’ve gone the way of Netflix and do direct billing only.
Other than that, it works great. My printer tells them it is low, and a new cartridge arrives in the mail before I run out. It changes the cost to a very simple “per page” cost, e.g. 5¢ per page, all day, every day. There is rollover, but it seems I’m always in that “gap” between 100 pages per month and 300 pages per month tiers. Paying for the overage at 100ppm is more than the 300ppm cost, but I don’t use all of the 300ppm alotment ever, so I have 3 months of rollover piled up that I never use.
You can also stop and go back to purchased cartridges if it isn’t for you. However, you can’t just switch back and forth. The service knows the serial numbers of the cartridges they send, so it can tell the difference.
They also send a prepaid envelope to mail them back the empty cartridges for recycling/re-use. All in all, a no-muss, no-fuss, super-simple service. All I buy is paper.
And I never run out of ink at 10pm on Sunday night.
@kostia They probably got pushback from the office supply channel losing out on their cut of the markup. IMO, the ink-as-a-service model is a win all around.
@kostia@mike808 The stores selling the printers also sell starting you up on instant ink. I’m sure the store gets something out of it to make up for the lost cartridge sales
@kevinrs@kostia They only sell $5 “starter” cards. Not the $60 prepaid cards like Costco had or topups. They’re also not incentivized to do more than their minimal marketing of “oh, by the way, these printers have this service. The information is in this brochure in the back behind the displays” and “Can I help you find the right ink with your new printer?”. They’re definitely not pushing it.
@kostia@mike808 I am thinking that the account set up with that starter card still gets a commission for the retailer beyond the starter card. Individual employees at some retailers may not know, but at staples they do sell you on instant ink
@kevinrs@kostia@mike808 As good as that sounds, my permanent and irrevocable grudge against HP inkjets cannot even be scratched by it. I will loathe them until the day that the last one melts and burns as the planet is enveloped by the expanding photospere of the dying sun.
@kevinrs@kostia@werehatrack
Because Epson and Lexmark don’t chip and DRM their ink cartridges either? Can I have some of what you’re smoking?
It’s a lesser of evils Sophie’s choice. There are no winners when fucking around with DRM. The only way to win is to never print anything again and to not use any vendors printers. Since that’s not realistic for a lot of folks that don’t scribe their manuscripts on sheepskin they themselves harvested and tanned with sustainable inorganic pigments, we’re back to a Sophie’s choice.
@kostia@mike808@werehatrack We went off HP, but had the same issues with replacing ink cartridges too often and clogs. Haven’t had any issues in the 3 years since we got this printer with the instant ink plan
@mike808 No doubt it’s the lesser evil. I left inkjets myself years ago. Color lasers are almost as cheap now, and I’ve never regretted the switch. But I couldn’t convince my parents to leave the land of multi function inkjets.
@mike808 Not multifunction ones, and apparently prices are higher right now. I just looked; chip shortage/supply chain effect maybe. But mine was around 250, and I got it at least 5 years ago. Wirecutter recommends an HP one that is supposed to go for around 300.
Really, the savings are in the fact that in that 5 years or however long, I’ve bought toner one time.
@kostia The thing is about that toner - it’s 5 years old and still needs to be stable and perform long after it’s been exposed to air the whole time. For all the CMYB ink formulations equally. That’s a tall order for chemical engineering 10 or 20 years ago when those formulas were developed. Not saying HP had the chops to pull it off, just there are risks thinking your one-time purchase of toner will last 20 years with technology from 30 years ago, or, in layman’s terms, … last century.
@kevinrs@kostia@mike808@werehatrack, well, Bud, ya have beau coup of loathing to do because the sun ain’t Going Down & is Set to last,… like, Forever¿?
@hchavers Clue: HEPA filters will not stop the naked virus, but they will generally catch aerosols that contain the virus. And if the aerosol droplet evaporates leaving the virus uncoated, the dessication will generally kill it. While lab testing can find the viral particles on a surface or in a filter, no one had isolated a live and active SARS virus from a dry surface as of the last time I dug into the information available about it. The continued recommendation to do hand sanitizing is mostly a precaution mixed with “it’s a good idea any time.” (Whether it really is a good idea to do that much handwashing or sanitizing is another area where there are some well-informed dissenters whose positions are dismissed because of the number of other poorly-informed dissenters who clearly haven’t got a clue about a damned thing.)
@mehvid1@Pufferfishy And the reason why we don’t use cubic feet to measure living space sizes is that the 8 foot ceiling is an artifact of a big shift in both office and residential construction that happened back in the 1940s and '50s. Prior to that, it was fairly common to find 10 foot (or higher) ceilings, which inflates the cubic feet without materially changing the available living space. Those high ceilings were used to give the hot air in a room a place to rise into - and there would be a high window that could be opened to let it flow out. Double-hung casement windows were intended to be used by sliding both panels to the center of the frame, creating a lower opening to let presumably-cooler outside air in at the bottom, and hot, stale inside air out at the top. And it sort of worked. Doors often had a vent above them that could be opened for the same reason. And the high ceilings also provided vertical space for ceiling fans to exist safely out of arm’s reach.
@Pufferfishy Right, also I didn’t mean to nitpick with you too much. I just thought the write up was pretty clear about it being for smaller, rather than larger, rooms. I agree with you also that’s it probably better suited for a small room than even a medium-sized room. So go ahead and throw it in that closet you’ve been meaning to clean out - and turn it on!
Question: On this unit (just got it) the charcoal filter is second, the HEPA is first. On all my others, the charcoal filter is first, getting the big stuff (cat hair) and the HEPA comes second. Thoughts?
The PARTU BS-10 has a 2-stage filter system, much as you’ll see on many air purifiers. Once the outer grill has removed any large material like cat hair, the air will get sucked into the first stage. This stage is a standard True HEPA filter, with a familiar, accordion-style design. It’s engineered to remove 99.97 percent of airborne particles, which is in line with HEPA standards.
The second stage of the filter is made of activated charcoal. This isn’t designed to remove particulates. Instead, it removes chemical contaminants that may have snuck through the outer filter.
I was considering this but in the end I didn’t like PART1 enough to pull the trigger
Looks like you can get replacement filters on Amazon fairly cheaply.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08CTZC45L/
/buy
@erthian It worked! Your order number is: mossy-tempting-ravioli
/image mossy tempting ravioli
@mediocrebot yes when I think mossy and I think ravioli I think tempting.
@erthian, asking since I honestly don’t know but is $20 a filter considered fairly cheap?
@Narwalt My wife has all manner of breathing issues and years ago, we bought a highly-rated, jet-engine-sound air cleaner which seems to help lessen such issues for her. I think the device, when new, was around $400. Anyway, I checked our last filter purchase (September 2020) and it was $239.99. I’m a little afraid to check on the current price… Oh yeah, $289.99. So I guess the answer is yes, I would consider $20 fairly cheap.
@erthian @Narwalt Typical HEPA-capable filter elements run $20 and up, though there are some very common ones that get cheaper because of the economies of scale that result. I have a couple with a higher capacity whose panels cost less than that, but the complete units were close to three times the price of this one. Over the long haul, mine is cheaper to run, but three of these would be more economical over the period of just a year or two. (I end up replacing the elements in mine about once a year, roughly.)
@erthian, is $40.39 + tax a fairly cheap price? Seriously, I have no idea bout the pricing of filters, so that’s why I ask!
@1DisabledWarVet I mean, considering the Honeywell filters can run $50 each, and you need multiple for larger sizes like this… yea $20 each is pretty solid. There’s probably even cheaper options out there (of questionable quality), if you look around.
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Copywriter must be phoning it in from somewhere in Alaska?
Here in Texas we’ve had heat advisories last few days.
Temperature tomorrow afternoon slated for 93 degrees with a “feels like” of 104.
Supposed to be like that all week.
I don’t know about global warming, but damn sure warming here locally.
@phendrick On the other hand we had a day where it hit 81 in April followed a couple of days of snow flurries somewhere around April 23, and several more nights with freeze and frost advisories. I’m not even up by Lake Erie, I’m right at the tri-state OH-KY-IN border in southwestern Ohio. Went down to 46 last night.
@Faffs @phendrick I blame you, weirdos, in the rest of the country. Looks like 50s and 60s this week in the Pacific Northwest.
Haven’t needed the AC yet this year.
@phendrick 106 in Llano on Saturday.
@phendrick In the 90s here in Houston, which is above the historic norms for us at this time of year. DFW has been up there as well, and theirs often goes a trifle higher despite being closer to the frozen tundra of the arctic. (But Houston is still less miserable overall than Miami.)
@mehvid1 @phendrick @werehatrack 37F when I got up this morning (NW OR). We had 14 inches of snow at our house in the last half of April. 2022 is starting out an odd year.
@Faffs I miss being able to drive close to Lake Erie during white-out conditions. [Might as well be driving with a blindfold on.] (My family used to visit relatives there Christmas time, including a cousin who lived along the southeastern lake shore.) I fully understand the phrase “lake effects snow”, much more than most Texans.
@ExtraMedium @Faffs Calling us weirdos? Have you looked around your region (Washington, Oregon, and especially that state San Francisco and LA are in)?
No offense meant, but…
@mehvid1 Somehow I’ve never made it to your town. I’ve been to El Paso and Fredericksburg but otherwise don’t drive west of Austin much. I generally go north or south from here (DFW or H town) or occasionally Sweetwater or Panhandle.
@werehatrack I think D’s problem is that they don’t spread the concrete out as much as H does.
@macromeh @mehvid1 @werehatrack
I’m trying to remember the last year that was not considered odd (in the sociological or historical sense).
@ExtraMedium @phendrick I wasn’t the one calling weirdos. Hell, I call my adopted state (Ohio) Florida North.
@phendrick I’m originally from metro NYC area. This part of Ohio literally goes into a tizzy over 1-2" of snow. Having gone to college in Buffalo NY oh yeah, lake effect snow! NY has a major snow belt, and a few minor ones. I lived in one of the minor ones, so coming out here, I was fully prepared for snow driving.
First time I saw an entire region shut down over 4" of snow was out here. Back in NY 4" was an inconvenience.
@Faffs @phendrick, On the other, other hand, keep in mind that you’re replying to phendrick who admitted that he isn’t sure about the global warming dilemma! Sheeze!!
@1DisabledWarVet
Since you seem to betimplying that I am deficient in my scientific fact accretion, show me yours. How many degrees will it warm in Nome, Alaska, between this morning and Friday morning, say 8AM to 8AM? If you don’t know, then you don’t know about global warming, either. Sheesh! (At least get the word right. Sheeze doesn’t seem to appear in anyone’s dictionary other than yours.)
@phendrick, evidently, your inflated ego doesn’t allow a bit of sarcasm, but I think you are somewhat funny. I haveta ask, ‘Was that your intention’? Most normal humans aren’t as strict in the meaning or definition of words such as climate change, or ‘global’ warming. Neither definition specifies any exact location, but unless you hide under a rock, or a bunch of numbers, You already know that.
As far as my misspelling of Sheeze, I have to blame my dumb-ass ‘Smart’ phone’s neat spell-check feature for inserting the ‘n’ in my made up word, but ya have to admit a spelling error in a word just doesn’t compare to a Global Catastrophe by any measure, even of your mathematical expertize. Nonetheless, I did enjoy the reference to the word ‘Sneeze’! Very Shcool,… Oh, Hell, there goes my spell- check,…again!! I meant Cool, buy not in a Global sense!
Well, we don’t have a lot of HEPAs here, just a lot of dust. So I guess this wouldn’t work for us.
Unfortunate model number, but it probably works fine.
@bfg9000 @PooltoyWolf finally: a way to purify the air in my closet
Specs
Product: Partu BS-10 True HEPA Air Purifier
Model: BS-10
Condition: New
What’s Included?
Price Comparison
$60-$90 on eBay
Warranty
90 days
Estimated Delivery
Thursday, Aug 4 - Monday, Aug 8
Is this dangerous for children or pets when running?
@jandrese Serious answer: the lock is to prevent accidental settings changes where young children or pets are present and likely to mess with the unit or bump into it.
@jandrese Why take a chance? Don’t let them run with it.
@jandrese, no, because it literally has no legs, ergo it can’t run!!
“PARTU” sonat verbum Latinum.
@awk Which gave birth to the famous line of Shakespeare - Par two, Brutus? - in that well-known golfing comedy.
@awk If you want to make something sound more important than it really is, use Latin. This is the principle behind the continuing use of (often horribly mangled) Latin in the courts and the legal profession. (They do not confine their mangling to Latin; any borrowed term may get folded, spindled, mutilated, and julienned, particularly here in Texas.)
@awk @werehatrack True, and this has only gotten worse since the landmark case in the 60’s, Smeltit v. Dealtit.
@awk @macromeh @werehatrack So would the air coming out of this be afterbirth?
@awk @werehatrack, what about the word, “Capische”¿?
It’s a fan with a nut milk bag over it.
@mexicantacos heh heh…he said nut milk.
@mexicantacos More of a fan with a huge coffee filter over the back of it.
This is made by Aukey apparently, who recently got kicked off of Amazon for feedback manipulation. Also it’s discontinued. But good price for auto-sensing air purifier. Buy?
@jacksons8 They must have been really blatant with their 5-star bribes if they got tossed because of it. (That said, I’ve reported every incident of such review-buying that I’ve encountered, and most of the listed items vanished shortly afterwards. And all of the ones I have found were pretty blatant.)
@jacksons8 @werehatrack Bribes I’ve seen were offers for extended warranties or (in the case air purifiers) a free air filter in exchange for proof of a 5-star review on Amazon. This was communicated via a printed card packed with the item inside the package. I was surprised how brazen the companies were.
@jacksons8 @natefarious @werehatrack
It was mainly third-party resellers, and other less reputable brands without their own brand store on Amazon (another Amazon domination flex to squeeze brands into paying Amazon to host a dedicated store) were pumping product through resellers competing against each other for commissions/volume discounts. They were marketed to resellers (mostly Chinese & Indian) as side-hustles to get rich quick if you moved enough product. So of course they all did whatever they could to game the system that Amazon games against them in the first place.
Now you’re seeing crap like putting a photoshop of a “Amazon’s Choice” logo into the product image to trick people into thinking it was selected by Amazon to advertise (which is all Amazon’s Choice really is - a paid “advertorial” badge. It is NOT some kind of product review editorial like it pretends to be - all in the service of taking more of the sellers profit margin so Bezos can build more penis rockets.
In my experience, “easy to use” and “effective” are at opposites ends on the child lock scale.
Will you sell one similar to those claratin ones you sold a few years ago? That one could destink a whole room, not just a very small corner of one. That one is great, I’d like one for other rooms in the house.
Hell. It’s $40 at amazon. Tacky, Meh
@gertiestn The Partu BS-03 is $40 on Amazon. That is the smallest unit in the Partu line, good for 107sqft. This BS-10 is double the size
Tfw when the replacement filters cost more than the thing itself.
/giphy that’s how they get you
@btwonder It’s cheaper than printer ink, though.
/giphy i’d buy that for a dollar
@btwonder @mike808 There have been documented examples of inkjet printers for which a new set of cartridges was more expensive than replacing the printer - except that the original tanks were smaller than the replacements, so you got screwed either way.
@btwonder @mike808 @werehatrack Indeed. Years ago the “on sale” printers came with full cartridges and would often sell for same or less than just the cartridges. Then they gradually moved to “starter” cartridges. On laser printers, this was still usually enough for about 500 pages, where a full toner would be 2-3K pages. On inkjets, the worst IMHO, they actually now say it’s just enough to prime the system and print a few pages for testing so you can run to the store and spend another $50-100 on ink cartridges.
Would be nice if at least the stores offered to take in the old printers and packaging as e-waste…
@btwonder @pmarin @werehatrack
I have to say, I’ve been a subscriber to HP’s “Instant Ink” program, and I wish they’d promote it more. Also, Costco used to have discounted prepaid/gift cards for the service. It seems they’ve gone the way of Netflix and do direct billing only.
Other than that, it works great. My printer tells them it is low, and a new cartridge arrives in the mail before I run out. It changes the cost to a very simple “per page” cost, e.g. 5¢ per page, all day, every day. There is rollover, but it seems I’m always in that “gap” between 100 pages per month and 300 pages per month tiers. Paying for the overage at 100ppm is more than the 300ppm cost, but I don’t use all of the 300ppm alotment ever, so I have 3 months of rollover piled up that I never use.
You can also stop and go back to purchased cartridges if it isn’t for you. However, you can’t just switch back and forth. The service knows the serial numbers of the cartridges they send, so it can tell the difference.
They also send a prepaid envelope to mail them back the empty cartridges for recycling/re-use. All in all, a no-muss, no-fuss, super-simple service. All I buy is paper.
And I never run out of ink at 10pm on Sunday night.
@mike808 I signed my parents up for Instant Ink and it’s been amazing for them. It really is weird that they don’t advertise it.
@kostia They probably got pushback from the office supply channel losing out on their cut of the markup. IMO, the ink-as-a-service model is a win all around.
@kostia @mike808 The stores selling the printers also sell starting you up on instant ink. I’m sure the store gets something out of it to make up for the lost cartridge sales
@kevinrs @kostia They only sell $5 “starter” cards. Not the $60 prepaid cards like Costco had or topups. They’re also not incentivized to do more than their minimal marketing of “oh, by the way, these printers have this service. The information is in this brochure in the back behind the displays” and “Can I help you find the right ink with your new printer?”. They’re definitely not pushing it.
@kostia @mike808 I am thinking that the account set up with that starter card still gets a commission for the retailer beyond the starter card. Individual employees at some retailers may not know, but at staples they do sell you on instant ink
@kevinrs @kostia @mike808 As good as that sounds, my permanent and irrevocable grudge against HP inkjets cannot even be scratched by it. I will loathe them until the day that the last one melts and burns as the planet is enveloped by the expanding photospere of the dying sun.
@kevinrs @kostia @werehatrack
Because Epson and Lexmark don’t chip and DRM their ink cartridges either? Can I have some of what you’re smoking?
It’s a lesser of evils Sophie’s choice. There are no winners when fucking around with DRM. The only way to win is to never print anything again and to not use any vendors printers. Since that’s not realistic for a lot of folks that don’t scribe their manuscripts on sheepskin they themselves harvested and tanned with sustainable inorganic pigments, we’re back to a Sophie’s choice.
@kostia @mike808 @werehatrack We went off HP, but had the same issues with replacing ink cartridges too often and clogs. Haven’t had any issues in the 3 years since we got this printer with the instant ink plan
@mike808 No doubt it’s the lesser evil. I left inkjets myself years ago. Color lasers are almost as cheap now, and I’ve never regretted the switch. But I couldn’t convince my parents to leave the land of multi function inkjets.
@kostia True. We use the scanning and copy features all the time. Are color lasers really sub-$200 now?
@mike808 Not multifunction ones, and apparently prices are higher right now. I just looked; chip shortage/supply chain effect maybe. But mine was around 250, and I got it at least 5 years ago. Wirecutter recommends an HP one that is supposed to go for around 300.
Really, the savings are in the fact that in that 5 years or however long, I’ve bought toner one time.
@kostia The thing is about that toner - it’s 5 years old and still needs to be stable and perform long after it’s been exposed to air the whole time. For all the CMYB ink formulations equally. That’s a tall order for chemical engineering 10 or 20 years ago when those formulas were developed. Not saying HP had the chops to pull it off, just there are risks thinking your one-time purchase of toner will last 20 years with technology from 30 years ago, or, in layman’s terms, … last century.
@mike808 Totally get it. Nothing bad has happened to me … yet.
@kevinrs @kostia @mike808 @werehatrack, well, Bud, ya have beau coup of loathing to do because the sun ain’t Going Down & is Set to last,… like, Forever¿?
No Covid-19 info on whether it works or not on the virus. The Pandemic must really be over!
@hchavers Clue: HEPA filters will not stop the naked virus, but they will generally catch aerosols that contain the virus. And if the aerosol droplet evaporates leaving the virus uncoated, the dessication will generally kill it. While lab testing can find the viral particles on a surface or in a filter, no one had isolated a live and active SARS virus from a dry surface as of the last time I dug into the information available about it. The continued recommendation to do hand sanitizing is mostly a precaution mixed with “it’s a good idea any time.” (Whether it really is a good idea to do that much handwashing or sanitizing is another area where there are some well-informed dissenters whose positions are dismissed because of the number of other poorly-informed dissenters who clearly haven’t got a clue about a damned thing.)
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@ciabelle It worked! Your order number is: sliced-gargantuan-lithium
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215 sq. ft.? So it only works in 2 dimensions?
LOL - so this little garbage can is going to clean the air in a 1720 cubic foot room? (assuming 8ft ceilings) I call BS.
215 cubic feet I’d believe - this looks about right for a closet or bathroom.
@Pufferfishy Ok. I guess your ~2,000 sq ft house is also only two-dimensional.
@mehvid1 It is when I vacuum.
@mehvid1 @Pufferfishy And the reason why we don’t use cubic feet to measure living space sizes is that the 8 foot ceiling is an artifact of a big shift in both office and residential construction that happened back in the 1940s and '50s. Prior to that, it was fairly common to find 10 foot (or higher) ceilings, which inflates the cubic feet without materially changing the available living space. Those high ceilings were used to give the hot air in a room a place to rise into - and there would be a high window that could be opened to let it flow out. Double-hung casement windows were intended to be used by sliding both panels to the center of the frame, creating a lower opening to let presumably-cooler outside air in at the bottom, and hot, stale inside air out at the top. And it sort of worked. Doors often had a vent above them that could be opened for the same reason. And the high ceilings also provided vertical space for ceiling fans to exist safely out of arm’s reach.
@Pufferfishy Right, also I didn’t mean to nitpick with you too much. I just thought the write up was pretty clear about it being for smaller, rather than larger, rooms. I agree with you also that’s it probably better suited for a small room than even a medium-sized room. So go ahead and throw it in that closet you’ve been meaning to clean out - and turn it on!
@werehatrack which is an even better argument on why rating these in sq. ft. is dumb. Thanks!
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Cheap enough to try it.
@haydesigner It worked! Your order number is: polarizing-modest-hose
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@mediocrebot awesome
POKER! JOKER! NOT MEDIOCRE! AWESOME!
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@Euniceandrich It worked! Your order number is: radical-gullible-breakfast
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Question: On this unit (just got it) the charcoal filter is second, the HEPA is first. On all my others, the charcoal filter is first, getting the big stuff (cat hair) and the HEPA comes second. Thoughts?
@radi0j0hn found this info in a review