@blaineg I would think they would be visible in the long exposure needed to capture the Milky Way with the detail shown in the title image. That’s why I thought it was taken before the starlinks.
@blaineg Glad that was taken into account to minimize visibility. Now the complaints will be about invisible “secret” satellites spying on us and broadcasting 5G mind control and Coronavirus all over the USA as part of a nefarious libtard Democrap plot to rig the election. It must be stopped!
@blaineg@mike808 it was taken in “late May” so it may have been before the first starlink satellites were in orbit, which was also late May.
The good news is the first set of confirmed starlink speed tests came in, so apparently some people in Washington state can play fortnite now that maybe couldn’t before. You gotta have priorities, right?
@mike808 The problem exists with every satellite, including the ISS. It’s just that there’s a lot of the Starlinks. From the original posting, he says one Starlink ruined a shot. He then did the opposite of what image stacking is usually used for, and made it look as bad as possible. “The image is the sum of 17 photos of 30 seconds of exhibition, that’s why you see so many traces.” He could have just as easily used stacking to eliminate them.
He was straightforward about what he did, but it was near universally reported (even by some “science” sites) as “Starlink destroys the sky”. His photo is fine, he was trying to make a point, and he did it extremely well. But the reporting was somewhere between clueless and dishonest.
@mike808 It’s a matter of competing interests. Astronomers would probably prefer that no satellites existed, nor any city lights. The rest of us are unwilling to live without light at night, communications, or GPS. Heck, the loss of GPS would probably destroy the economy.
the loss of GPS would probably destroy the economy.
Not sure my kid even knows how to read a map anymore.
Prior to desert storm we knew something was up despite government denials (lived in the Norfolk/Hampton Roads areas and something like 13 military and USCG bases/stations)… the mothball ships coming down the James River, a hospital ship in a dry dock, a bunch of boats and subs no longer at the Navy base and the command ship for the Atlantic fleet was out and of course Loran-C was periodically being cut off periodically in the Chesapeake Bay when the fleet was doing exercises.
As an aside: Loran-C was the boat “equivalent” of GPS pre 2010. GPS is satellite based and Loran was based on shore towers and signals. Now ships use a GPS based system although there is a move to have a land base back up for security reasons (eg take out key satellites and good by navigational aids outside of a compass, sextant - figuring out where you are by the stars - and chart).
The (boat) radio traffic then was entertaining (I was out on the bay on a tugboat and tall ship on occasion) as a number of smaller boats wanted help figuring out where they were and how to get to where they were going. Umm that would be called using a compass and a marine chart (eg map). And you did keep track of where you were even though using Loran-C. Right? I wonder how many cars even have a paper map in them these days. I have several. My kid has none.
The rest of us are unwilling to live without light at night,
I wish that weren’t so. That wasn’t even a thing until the last 200 years. There isn’t any need for it - at least at the scale we’ve deployed it and the energy (and $$$) consumed along with it. There just isnt a need for 24x7 “daylight”. Animals and plants aren’t happy about it either.
I don’t know why we need streetlights across almost all of suburban America. 1) Halogen bulbs should be banned now that LEDs are cheap and in mass quantities. 2) They should all be on smart switches and dimmed way down from today’s levels. The NEC and urban codes needs to be revised. We don’t need to be able to read the newspaper wearing sunglasses at night 100 feet away from the street light, and we don’t need to ruin the night for everyone so that people driving 40 mph can see well enough that they don’t have to actually focus on driving instead of society lowering its expectations of instant gratification in everything and slowing the fuck down. And get off my lawn while they’re at it!
Maybe Tesla’s FSD will finally be the disruptor that bans human driving at night and thus, streetlights for saving idiot drivers from themselves and society won’t be needed as DERP (Darwin Event Reduction and Prevention) devices. One can hope.
I had forgotten about that website. There are some absolutely amazing photos there.
I’m surprised it wasn’t ruined with streaks from all those SpaceX micro-satellites we’re shooting up into LEO.
I also wouldnt be surprised if we’ve already got AI software tools to digitally erase that shit.
@mike808 oh ffs. You can zoom in on anything far enough never mind thats obviously not how the satelites orbit that would be stupid.
@mike808 Image stacking is a common astrophotography technique. It’s usually used to increase resolution, or eliminate unwanted items.
These photos used it to deliberately show as many Starlink trails as possible. You could never see this in real life.
@mike808 Also, the Starlink satellites have already been modified a couple of times to minimize reflection.
https://techcrunch.com/2020/04/28/elon-musk-provides-more-details-about-spacexs-plan-to-reduce-starlink-satellite-visibility/
@blaineg I would think they would be visible in the long exposure needed to capture the Milky Way with the detail shown in the title image. That’s why I thought it was taken before the starlinks.
@blaineg Glad that was taken into account to minimize visibility. Now the complaints will be about invisible “secret” satellites spying on us and broadcasting 5G mind control and Coronavirus all over the USA as part of a nefarious libtard Democrap plot to rig the election. It must be stopped!
@blaineg @mike808
/image tinfoil hat
Problem solved. You are welcome.
@blaineg @mike808 it was taken in “late May” so it may have been before the first starlink satellites were in orbit, which was also late May.
The good news is the first set of confirmed starlink speed tests came in, so apparently some people in Washington state can play fortnite now that maybe couldn’t before. You gotta have priorities, right?
@mike808 The problem exists with every satellite, including the ISS. It’s just that there’s a lot of the Starlinks. From the original posting, he says one Starlink ruined a shot. He then did the opposite of what image stacking is usually used for, and made it look as bad as possible. “The image is the sum of 17 photos of 30 seconds of exhibition, that’s why you see so many traces.” He could have just as easily used stacking to eliminate them.
He was straightforward about what he did, but it was near universally reported (even by some “science” sites) as “Starlink destroys the sky”. His photo is fine, he was trying to make a point, and he did it extremely well. But the reporting was somewhere between clueless and dishonest.
@mike808 It’s a matter of competing interests. Astronomers would probably prefer that no satellites existed, nor any city lights. The rest of us are unwilling to live without light at night, communications, or GPS. Heck, the loss of GPS would probably destroy the economy.
@blaineg @mike808
Not sure my kid even knows how to read a map anymore.
Prior to desert storm we knew something was up despite government denials (lived in the Norfolk/Hampton Roads areas and something like 13 military and USCG bases/stations)… the mothball ships coming down the James River, a hospital ship in a dry dock, a bunch of boats and subs no longer at the Navy base and the command ship for the Atlantic fleet was out and of course Loran-C was periodically being cut off periodically in the Chesapeake Bay when the fleet was doing exercises.
As an aside: Loran-C was the boat “equivalent” of GPS pre 2010. GPS is satellite based and Loran was based on shore towers and signals. Now ships use a GPS based system although there is a move to have a land base back up for security reasons (eg take out key satellites and good by navigational aids outside of a compass, sextant - figuring out where you are by the stars - and chart).
The (boat) radio traffic then was entertaining (I was out on the bay on a tugboat and tall ship on occasion) as a number of smaller boats wanted help figuring out where they were and how to get to where they were going. Umm that would be called using a compass and a marine chart (eg map). And you did keep track of where you were even though using Loran-C. Right? I wonder how many cars even have a paper map in them these days. I have several. My kid has none.
@blaineg @Kidsandliz
I wish that weren’t so. That wasn’t even a thing until the last 200 years. There isn’t any need for it - at least at the scale we’ve deployed it and the energy (and $$$) consumed along with it. There just isnt a need for 24x7 “daylight”. Animals and plants aren’t happy about it either.
I don’t know why we need streetlights across almost all of suburban America. 1) Halogen bulbs should be banned now that LEDs are cheap and in mass quantities. 2) They should all be on smart switches and dimmed way down from today’s levels. The NEC and urban codes needs to be revised. We don’t need to be able to read the newspaper wearing sunglasses at night 100 feet away from the street light, and we don’t need to ruin the night for everyone so that people driving 40 mph can see well enough that they don’t have to actually focus on driving instead of society lowering its expectations of instant gratification in everything and slowing the fuck down. And get off my lawn while they’re at it!
Maybe Tesla’s FSD will finally be the disruptor that bans human driving at night and thus, streetlights for saving idiot drivers from themselves and society won’t be needed as DERP (Darwin Event Reduction and Prevention) devices. One can hope.
Wow!