@mikesmells, 'a trial-set for free", sounds like a pay-off to me! Even meh isn’t that naive!

@1DisabledWarVet It’s worth a shot!!!

@1DisabledWarVet @mikesmells In your next irk maybe?

@Seeds I’m weird. I have a commercial-grade Teflon coated fry pan that’s over 15 years old and still mostly nonstick

@werehatrack I have a bird (a conure) and I’m too scared to use Teflon because I heard it can create toxic chemicals with normal cooking and those chemicals have been known to kill birds. I don’t own any Teflon pans.

Avian veterinarians have known for decades that Teflon-coated and other non-stick cookware can produce fumes that are highly toxic to birds. As early as 1986, a Chicago-area expert on “Teflon toxicosis” called the phenomenon a “leading cause of death among birds,” and estimated that hundreds of birds are killed by the fumes and particles emitted from Teflon-coated products each year. Although an accurate national accounting of deaths is not available, in a single year this Chicago veterinarian documented 296 bird deaths in 105 cases involving non-stick cookware.

Under ordinary cooking scenarios, Teflon kills birds. A review of the literature and bird owners’ accounts of personal experience with Teflon toxicosis shows that Teflon can be lethal at normal cooking temperatures, with no human lapses in judgment or wakefulness.

https://www.ewg.org/research/canaries-kitchen

I believe the implication is that these have damaged boxes to some degree, but the product itself is perfectly fine (i.e. brand new). But since it is damaged they cannot call it brand new, and have to refer to it as refurbished.

@haydesigner That would be called “Open Box” then

@haydesigner, where as places, e.g. eBay call them unboxed, reboxed, or just call them damaged boxes. They likely sell better than using the term ‘refurbished’ or the term ‘restored’ [due to fn old age, and/or damage]!!
BTW, i.e. stands for ‘that is’ & e.g. stands for ‘for example’, JSYK!!

@1DisabledWarVet @haydesigner And just so you know, JSYK is an acronym for Just So You Know, i. e., an abbrev.

Captain Obvious, signing off.

@haydesigner @werehatrack yes, and IAKD is the acronym not ‘an’ acronym for I Already Knew Dat!! JSYK!

@mcemanuel The box was damaged and a replacement lid was in the box for one saucepan. Everything was 100% new in original packaging. Really impressed with the set so far and I hope they last a long time.

@somf69 They had to, it turned out that these were not Mac and cheese compatible in that way.

@somf69 @werehatrack

@somf69 @werehatrack I own this set and the cheese wont stick.

@awk That would be called left overs.

Unfortunately for you the candy corn was bricked and hasn’t been refurbished yet.

@Rstoker The illustration only shows one stock pot, and the contents list says that it’s six and a half quarts.

@werehatrack it look like the same set as the Amazon link which has an 8qt stock pot.

@Tater2point0

@Tater2point0 cook Meth, not Meh

@cengland0 There are a great many alloys that are referred to as stainless steel. Many of them only lightly attract a magnet, but some of them are very magnetic. I’m assuming that the bottom plate that interacts with an induction stove is one of the latter. I know that I have a couple of things that are labeled as being induction friendly, and there is a very magnetically receptive bottom plate on them that does not corrode.

@cengland0 Some grades of stainless steel are magnetic. 430 (aka18/0) is magnetic and is typically used for in cookware and some cutlery/utensils.

@cengland0 I don’t know if stainless steel induction plates work, but my brother in law has this set and it works on an induction stove, so either stainless steel induction plates work or they’re fibbing about the induction plates being stainless steel.

@cengland0, and they definitely don’t stick to aluminum!!

@narfcake I once had an argument with a guy at the gym about stainless steal. I was such an idiot because he kept telling me that magnets do not stick to stainless steal but I said it contains iron so it must stick. He then informed me that he is an expert metallurgist and creates stainless steal products for a living but couldn’t tell me the secret techniques they use. That shut me up real quick, I apologized slowly walked away with my tail between my legs but secretly still didn’t believe him.

When I got home, I got some magnets and went around the house testing various stainless steal items. My refrigerator wouldn’t stick to the magnets, my stainless water bottle wouldn’t either. I couldn’t find anything stainless steal including my stainless steal pots and pans. I was shocked that stainless steal contains iron but magnets don’t stick to them. Very weird indeed.

What @werehatrack is saying above about many different alloys is true but all of those alloys contain more iron than anything else so it should be considered a ferrous metal (containing mainly iron).

But again, to my surprise, I couldn’t find anything in my house labeled as stainless steal that a magnet would stick to. I haven’t tested my forks, knifes, and spoons because I’m not sure if I bought stainless or nickel or what they were at the time.

I do have an induction plate that I bought so I could cook in an emergency if the electricity went out because it runs on 120V and I have a 120V generators. Cannot run the main stove because it requires 240V and the generators don’t provide that kind of power. I replaced all my pots and pans to be inverter compatible just so I can use them during a power outage and I had to make sure they had that “Inverter Compatible” labeling before buying them. I have confirmed my old pans do not work on the inverter stove (including my stainless steal ones or copper bottom pans).

@cengland0 Anything a magnet sticks to can generate heat by induction, but induction heating doesn’t necessarily require magnetic attraction – e.g., titanium can be induction heated but is not magnetic.

@SubGothius I’m not sure about your statement on titanium working on induction stoves. I found https://www.titaniumcookwarecollection.com/faq which explains that their cookware does work on induction stoves but explains how.

Electric coil, gas, ceramic, halogen and induction. All cooktops are compatible with our cookware.

Induction is similar looking to electric, however the cooktop literally does not feel hot to the touch. Induction uses a magnetic field to quickly heat your cookware- provided that the base of the pan has a ferrous metal. Nonferrous pans do not work on induction cooktops, which is why you will see options for both types on the market. OUR cookware, however, is compatible with all cooktops.

I am guessing here but since Titanium is nonferrous, it will not work by itself just like today’s ceramic/aluminum pots and pans. But they could put a steal plate that contains iron on the bottom to make it induction compatible by the statement above, “provided that the base of the pan has a ferrous metal.”

Doing some more investigation, I discovered titanium cookware are not 100% titanium.

“Titanium reinforced non-stick cookware uses a cast aluminum base to ensure fast and even heat distribution and good heat retention. The aluminum core conducts heat seven times faster than steel or iron. The base is coated with a titanium-infused, ceramic coating.”

@cengland0 @SubGothius

“Titanium reinforced non-stick cookware uses a cast aluminum base to ensure fast and even heat distribution and good heat retention. The aluminum core conducts heat seven times faster than steel or iron. The base is coated with a titanium-infused, ceramic coating.”

So it’s similar to the “titanium” drill bits (which have an often trivially thin titanium plating on the surface) and a number of other things that proudly feature that element’s name in their propaganda but come astonishingly close to leaving it out of the product - often with the exception of as a pigment in the form of titanium dioxide. In the case of the cookware you cite, it’s aluminum with a ceramic coating that happens to have some titanium in it. I’m betting they make zero affirmative statements concerning just how much titanium is present, precisely what it does as a component of the coating and how much actual benefit it provides. That’s how the lies known as “advertising” work too much of the time.

BTW, in the aerospace fastener industry, it is well understood that titanium has both drawbacks and some advantages - and that if you use any significant amount of the stuff in the alloy of a machine screw (for instance), you want to make damned sure that you don’t sell the customer any nuts containing titanium to pair with them, because they will gall and seize before you get them up to torque. Usually, your customer will know this already, and will spec out their needs accordingly, but sometimes you get someone in the loop who doesn’t understand this.

@cengland0 I doubt there’s any solid titanium cookware just on the basis of cost and dubious added benefit for that cost, but titanium Dynavaps (a vapor-extraction device for ahem herbal matter) exist and work with induction heating devices just fine.

@technec Potstickers that slide off onto the plate without a battle are just not the same. (They’re better )

@Kidsandliz - Stuff cooks in them. (If you turn the burner on otherwise, it just sets there.)

@ashemo Smart ass (but thank you for letting me know you can use them on a “regular” stove too).

@Kidsandliz - Any time!

@WildOrchidBit I don’t use Teflon for the exact same reason. But I think these are safe because they are aluminum with a ceramic coating according to the listing.

Super-heated at 30,000°F, plasma ceramic particles are fused to the surface of the pan, creating a super-hard, textured surface that interlocks with our exclusive coating for a superior bond

@PooltoyWolf It may seem odd, but I admit I, too, have participated in at least a few cookware deals on the upper price end on this site! And, strangely enough, been happy with the quality and condition of what I received. In fact was considering this one until I reminded myself I still had several pieces from previous sets, unboxed but still in their original plastic bags and not used yet.

@PooltoyWolf I take it you don’t spend much time in Marshalls :p

They have great sections for buying pots, pans, and knives for a reason

@Seeds Marshalls not so much, but I am often in Ross!

@PooltoyWolf @Seeds The TJ Maxx nearby had a better selection than its neighbor Ross this past Saturday, but that’s just a one-time snapshot. YMMV.

@stolicat That’s the side making contact to the stove. It’s probably there to show you the induction plate. Induction stoves require a surface that a magnet will stick to and many pots and pans are not induction compatible without that extra plate on the bottom.

@cengland0 Ah, I see. Thanks for explaining that!

@bartsimpson Yes that is something I always wonder about when I see metal handles on pots and pans. No I do not want to have to pick up a hot pad to be able to touch the handle.

@bartsimpson The long handles are designed to refuce heat transmission as much as practical, but I’ve always reflexively grabbed a potholder for any metal handle, and will continue to do so. On an induction cooktop, the handles tend not to get as hot, but I’d rather not take a chance.

@brasscupcakes It was $179.
https://mehstalker.com/

@brasscupcakes as an FYI, the price is in the top of the Forum in the image. Price will disappear tomorrow but it is still there right now.