I really don’t care if they choose Standard Time or Daylight Saving Time. Switching between the two every year is not helping anything, and it pisses a lot of people off.
@moondrake@RiotDemon To align the remaining sunlight better with common commuting times. In the winter, we give up on having sunlight during both commutes and try to just salvage the morning commute.
In most places, depending on a region’s latitude, it reduces traffic accidents overall, despite the spike right after the change-over.
When I was young, our local newspaper had a section called “Tell the Times” where area residents could leave a message on an answering machine and the newspaper would print what the residents said.
I only remember one comment from it, but it was a goodie. It went something like this:
“Someone needs to tell Congress to stop this Daylight Savings nonsense. This extra hour of daylight is killing my lawn.”
Daylight-saving time is hard on children
Whoever thought of daylight-saving time wasn’t thinking about families with small children. How am I supposed to get my children to sleep when it’s still daylight outside? Also, that extra hour of sunlight is killing my lawn.
Here are all the nuggets of crowdsourced truth from April 17, 2002:
Dogs are companions for myriad reasons
People get dogs for a couple of reasons, to be a companion or to be a guard over their family and home. Some dogs are not fit to stay inside a house for various reasons, although it’s always wrong to neglect animals.
Garbage trucks leave some trash behind
If Mayor Keith Hightower really wants to fight dirty, he needs to wait a few minutes and follow along behind some of these garbage trucks. If they drop something, they do not take time to pick it up. At least this seems to be the situation in parts of Southfield.
Confederates also are a part of history
I’m calling about the Confederate issue at Centenary College. You don’t see anyone having problems when the African-Americans have Black History Month. Confederates and the Confederate flag are part of history also. There’s no difference between the two.
Bad economy cannot bear another tax
Mr. Mayor, do you read The Times Money page? You are promoting another tax. The economy is terrible for all of us out here in the real world.
Caller questions strip club distance
Regarding the strip club, is it 1,000 feet away from the Spring Street Museum?
Jail time not likely for state’s criminals
This congressman from Ohio who was convicted on all these counts of theft, abuse of power, etc. should come to Louisiana. That way he wouldn’t have to worry about ever going to jail.
Cable critics should consider satellite TV
You folks who missed the race because the cable went out really need to get satellite. A much clearer picture and I didn’t miss a thing. Satellite rules and cables doesn’t.
Investment amount dictates club image
I have a question for the mayor. What’s the difference between a gentleman’s club and a strip club? Answer: $2 million. Thank you.
Israeli aggression hurts heart of nation
When the Israelis began their destructive attack on Palestinians, I thought they had shot themselves in the foot The further they go with this aggression, the more I feel they probably have shot themselves in the heart
I’m a fan of daylight saving time. I prefer my daylight later in the evening, mostly because it is beneficial to my golf league and finishing before dark.
@ACraigL I heard the parents signed a petition to the University to change the time to make it easier for parents to call their kids but the students said no way.
The only thing I know is that it was rough waking up this morning! I can’t justify in my own head that I will get this hour back in another six months…whatever the historical or scientific reasons.
I presume that Oliver’s show has a reasonable research budget and can, if it wishes, attempt to confirm or dispute hard facts from approx a century ago.
However, I don’t normally watch his show or get any news from TV.
That said, I was lazy and, aside from watching a brief Oliver show video clip, did not persue the origins of the social and formal practice of DST beyond that. Very sloppy, indeed, no???!!!
I therefore clearly mentioned the source of my putative info or “info” (as some/many might wish for other, perhaps far preferable, sources).
But you noticed that possibly worthless??? source, and called me on the pure horror of it all.
Thinking we need to change it all around. Sunrise should be at the same time every day, say 7:00am. Sure clocks would need to be adjusted a few minutes every day, but how confusing could that possibly be.
@MrMark so… Let’s say we make solar time a thing. Sunrise is 7am and sunset is 7pm every day.
Making watches and clocks that account for this time would be fun. Especially mechanical watches. Sounds like a good challenge for watchmakers.
I would love to schedule all my dreaded daytime things during wintertime. A three hour meeting in December would be way better than a three hour meeting in July.
Nighttime football games would get longer the further into the season you got. But those afternoon games would get rushed. Thankfully, baseball works on innings instead of a clock. That could become intolerable.
TV technology would be different. We’d have to have DVR technology that could speed up and slow down content in real time based on your latitude and viewing date. I’d much prefer my wife to watch The Bachelor in summer in Alaska, but the winter showings would be a nightmare there.
Movies would have a different runtime for day and night showings depending on the season.
@djslack@MrMark I couldn’t star this enough. But I vote you don’t change the timing of shows or movies. You just have to take the season and time of day in to account when you watch them.
But imagine scientists (they’d stick with I.S. standard units, for their experiments, I assume),
ooo, or traders trying to cram it all into a winter day. But no one would ever take night jobs in the winter.
And your solid 8 hours of sleep in the winter would be … what 12 hours, and in the summer would be 5?
Hmmm, what we need is a test state, or small country…
“The cows want milked on the schedule they are used to. They don’t care what the clock says.”
My dogs want fed on their 7 and 7 schedule. When the time changes I don’t change them an hour at once, I change by 15 minutes every couple of days, so after a week they have caught up. It’s a bit inconvenient for me, but not tragic, and there’s no reason for them to be unneccessarily anxious for a purely human contrivance. I read once that humans are the only animals that eat when they are not hungry and sleep when they are not tired.
I read once that humans are the only animals that eat when they are not hungry and sleep when they are not tired.
I can’t speak for all animals, but my dog will eat himself sick and sleeps like 20 hours a day. My guess is that even domesticated animals have enough instinct to eat when they can, not when they should. Same for sleep. But mostly my response to the above quote is, “how do we know”.
While I can understand the desire for stable times, not changing your clock etc. I have a hard time wrapping my head around the “loss or gain” of an hour of sleep on just 2 days a year.
WTF… do you people go to bed and get up at the same time EVERY FREAKING DAY? How is that even possible? Do you have the same sleep times on work and off days? Have you never stayed up late at a party? Binge watched Netflix? Gotten up early to go to the airport/caught the red-eye home?
I guess because my work schedule is all over the map I am used to variable sleep patterns, but come on… really. Or… maybe it bothers me more than it should…
We tried staying in DST once in the ’70s. Moms were freaking out because their kids were walking to school in the dark. Of course, that was when school started at 8:30 and kids actually walked to school. So maybe now it wouldn’t be such a big deal.
Here, plenty of kids wait for the school bus in the dark, school-year round. I have followed such buses down various roads and waited for them at pickup locations.
I’m in Florida and love the idea of permanent DST. It will, however, be fucking confusing on New Year’s eve when the ball drops in NYC & it’s already 1am here. But i think people in the central zone are used to watching primetime TV at 7pm instead of 8pm so it’s just another adjustment. NFL games at 2pm and 5pm instead of 1 and 4. More time to get shit done beforehand! Stephen Colbert on at 12:35 instead of 11:35. I’ll probably have to start recording those!
@llangley Staying on DST all year is actually a time zone change, which requires an act of congress. I don’t know why they don’t just opt-out of DST, which is less difficult.
@arielleslie Because an awfully lot of people like that extra hour of sunlight at the end of the day in the summer. I have felt so much more energized this week with the sun setting after 7.
@arielleslie I got mixed up, I should have addressed my reply to @llangley. I agree with you. I’d be perfectly happy staying on DST year round. But I’d hate being on “regular time” year round. I HATE it in the winter when the sun sets at 4pm, I feel like crawling into bed and staying there till spring.
@callow That is a lot of information! I started focusing on specific states. Then, if you look at the Pacific Time Zone, its set different, or east Texas. Man, I can’t look away. They need one more - If the US adopted a single time zone.
A proposal: instead of all this switching back and forth that ultimately leads us nowhere and disrupts the sleep of honest, hardworking Americans, let’s, instead, just “fall back” the first of every month.
This system would have benefits. We would be advancing… the clocks. Advancing them counterclockwise.
My proposed timekeeping system could be called “arriving at work on time”, or some other name, maybe something more pithy. “More Sleep Time” could work.
Solar noon is already at 2pm for me, so what the hell do timezones matter at all? Just put everybody on GMT! I’ll be happy to come in based on solar noon on the equinox and just base my workday around that. Right now, I’d just work 9-6 instead of 8-5. Not a big change, but I’d take it!
@f00l me too! Yesterday was horrible and I hated everyone and ate everything in sight. Today I just stayed in bed all day instead. DST never used to bother me much but being in my late 40’s I do not like it
I really don’t want it to still be dark after 8:00 a.m. in the winter, and I couldn’t care less about anyone getting more golf time in after work. A lot of kids still walk to school in the morning, do you really think it’s a great idea for them to walk in darkness?
As a kid I hated going to bed in the summer while it was still light, and as a parent I hate trying to get the kids to sleep while it’s still light. My vote is to stay in standard time.
@mattsal23 It appears that your vote means jack squat as the politicians still have not repealed DST. Look we just learned how politics works, politicians don’t do anything we want.
I spent my extra hour this evening making my deck safe for small dogs and kids, as I’m pet sitting a small dog over the weekend. I put up a lattice over the previously open woodwork. I liked it better open, but I want everyone to be safe.
I really don’t care if they choose Standard Time or Daylight Saving Time. Switching between the two every year is not helping anything, and it pisses a lot of people off.
@daveinwarsh Agreed.
@daveinwarsh I prefer dst. I’m solar powered.
http://wavy.com/2018/03/10/florida-lawmakers-vote-to-stay-in-daylight-saving-time-all-year-long/amp/
Please let it pass.
@RiotDemon
Please, otherwise worthless legislature, pass this in Texas.
Pick one. Either one. But only one. Please.
http://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/daylight-saving-time-is-literally-killing-us/
@RiotDemon Except it’s not DST that does the harm it’s the switch. What’s the purpose of the other half of the schedule (Daylight Losing Time?)?
@moondrake @RiotDemon To align the remaining sunlight better with common commuting times. In the winter, we give up on having sunlight during both commutes and try to just salvage the morning commute.
In most places, depending on a region’s latitude, it reduces traffic accidents overall, despite the spike right after the change-over.
@moondrake
Daylight Spending Time
/image spending time
When I was young, our local newspaper had a section called “Tell the Times” where area residents could leave a message on an answering machine and the newspaper would print what the residents said.
I only remember one comment from it, but it was a goodie. It went something like this:
“Someone needs to tell Congress to stop this Daylight Savings nonsense. This extra hour of daylight is killing my lawn.”
Wow. I might have found it, although I remember it saying Congress, and I wouldn’t have read many papers after the mid-90’s. From https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/219260669/
Here are all the nuggets of crowdsourced truth from April 17, 2002:
I’m a fan of daylight saving time. I prefer my daylight later in the evening, mostly because it is beneficial to my golf league and finishing before dark.
@MrMark That can be solved, we just do not “Fall Back” anymore. Your golf game is saved, and the stupidity of DST in the modern age is done away with.
I can never remember which is DST and which is standard…
Which one are we in now?
Because this is the one I want to stay in all year round.
Darkness at 4pm in the middle of winter is for sucks.
IDGAF what time the sun rises because, one hour either way, I’m still asleep.
@DennisG2014 We are in DST now. Most people prefer DST.
I like Saving time but I hate moving back to Standard time. Good for Florida!
My son goes to University of Arizona, which doesn’t change over. Makes us think extra hard every time if he’s 2 or 3 hours earlier. Lame.
@ACraigL I’m hoping if the law passes in Florida, other states will follow along.
@ACraigL I heard the parents signed a petition to the University to change the time to make it easier for parents to call their kids but the students said no way.
The only thing I know is that it was rough waking up this morning! I can’t justify in my own head that I will get this hour back in another six months…whatever the historical or scientific reasons.
@bramby2
According to John Oliver’s show, the Germans started implementing it in WW I.
Kaiser Wilhelm.
Modern German citizens also hate it now.
@f00l Indeed! I also look to John Oliver for most of my news, historical references, and all things Mr. Nutterbutter
@bramby2
I presume that Oliver’s show has a reasonable research budget and can, if it wishes, attempt to confirm or dispute hard facts from approx a century ago.
However, I don’t normally watch his show or get any news from TV.
That said, I was lazy and, aside from watching a brief Oliver show video clip, did not persue the origins of the social and formal practice of DST beyond that. Very sloppy, indeed, no???!!!
I therefore clearly mentioned the source of my putative info or “info” (as some/many might wish for other, perhaps far preferable, sources).
But you noticed that possibly worthless??? source, and called me on the pure horror of it all.
Good catch!
I wish they’d just split the difference and leave it be. Move it 30mins one last time, then just leave it alone.
@sykl0ps That would be hilarious. I’m in.
@monicabc I’m all for compromise
Thinking we need to change it all around. Sunrise should be at the same time every day, say 7:00am. Sure clocks would need to be adjusted a few minutes every day, but how confusing could that possibly be.
@MrMark WOW… That’s GENIUS. (and I’m sure there’s an app for that…)
@MrMark so… Let’s say we make solar time a thing. Sunrise is 7am and sunset is 7pm every day.
Making watches and clocks that account for this time would be fun. Especially mechanical watches. Sounds like a good challenge for watchmakers.
I would love to schedule all my dreaded daytime things during wintertime. A three hour meeting in December would be way better than a three hour meeting in July.
Nighttime football games would get longer the further into the season you got. But those afternoon games would get rushed. Thankfully, baseball works on innings instead of a clock. That could become intolerable.
TV technology would be different. We’d have to have DVR technology that could speed up and slow down content in real time based on your latitude and viewing date. I’d much prefer my wife to watch The Bachelor in summer in Alaska, but the winter showings would be a nightmare there.
Movies would have a different runtime for day and night showings depending on the season.
Life would be interesting.
@djslack @MrMark I couldn’t star this enough. But I vote you don’t change the timing of shows or movies. You just have to take the season and time of day in to account when you watch them.
But imagine scientists (they’d stick with I.S. standard units, for their experiments, I assume),
ooo, or traders trying to cram it all into a winter day. But no one would ever take night jobs in the winter.
And your solid 8 hours of sleep in the winter would be … what 12 hours, and in the summer would be 5?
Hmmm, what we need is a test state, or small country…
@monicabc
You would make up your lost summer sleep by taking a mid day siesta to escape the hottest hours of the day.
/image siesta
“The cows want milked on the schedule they are used to. They don’t care what the clock says.”
My dogs want fed on their 7 and 7 schedule. When the time changes I don’t change them an hour at once, I change by 15 minutes every couple of days, so after a week they have caught up. It’s a bit inconvenient for me, but not tragic, and there’s no reason for them to be unneccessarily anxious for a purely human contrivance. I read once that humans are the only animals that eat when they are not hungry and sleep when they are not tired.
@moondrake
I can’t speak for all animals, but my dog will eat himself sick and sleeps like 20 hours a day. My guess is that even domesticated animals have enough instinct to eat when they can, not when they should. Same for sleep. But mostly my response to the above quote is, “how do we know”.
I can never remember if it’s Spring ahead, Fall back or Fall ahead, Spring back. Both seem like logical options to me.
@heartny I find this one easier to remember than the one about liquor before beer or beer before liquor which I can contrive to come out either way.
@djslack @heartny Feed a cold, starve a fever, or the other way around?
@djslack Liquor before beer, never fear. Beer before liquor, never sicker.
… That said, I don’t think it’s true either way.
While I can understand the desire for stable times, not changing your clock etc. I have a hard time wrapping my head around the “loss or gain” of an hour of sleep on just 2 days a year.
WTF… do you people go to bed and get up at the same time EVERY FREAKING DAY? How is that even possible? Do you have the same sleep times on work and off days? Have you never stayed up late at a party? Binge watched Netflix? Gotten up early to go to the airport/caught the red-eye home?
I guess because my work schedule is all over the map I am used to variable sleep patterns, but come on… really.
Or… maybe it bothers me more than it should…
@chienfou
It’s the spring change that does the damage.
Serious damage.
We tried staying in DST once in the ’70s. Moms were freaking out because their kids were walking to school in the dark. Of course, that was when school started at 8:30 and kids actually walked to school. So maybe now it wouldn’t be such a big deal.
@SSteve good point. Now it’s kids waiting for the bus in the dark. Here elementary kids start at 7:40am and the bus stop is at a 60mph highway.
@SSteve @sykl0ps
Here, plenty of kids wait for the school bus in the dark, school-year round. I have followed such buses down various roads and waited for them at pickup locations.
Kinda normal.
I’m in Florida and love the idea of permanent DST. It will, however, be fucking confusing on New Year’s eve when the ball drops in NYC & it’s already 1am here. But i think people in the central zone are used to watching primetime TV at 7pm instead of 8pm so it’s just another adjustment. NFL games at 2pm and 5pm instead of 1 and 4. More time to get shit done beforehand! Stephen Colbert on at 12:35 instead of 11:35. I’ll probably have to start recording those!
@llangley Staying on DST all year is actually a time zone change, which requires an act of congress. I don’t know why they don’t just opt-out of DST, which is less difficult.
@arielleslie Because an awfully lot of people like that extra hour of sunlight at the end of the day in the summer. I have felt so much more energized this week with the sun setting after 7.
@moondrake But it’s six of one, half a dozen of the other. If you never “fall back” you never need to “spring forward” and vice versa.
@arielleslie I got mixed up, I should have addressed my reply to @llangley. I agree with you. I’d be perfectly happy staying on DST year round. But I’d hate being on “regular time” year round. I HATE it in the winter when the sun sets at 4pm, I feel like crawling into bed and staying there till spring.
Generally not really a fan, but I did find this one funny:
Changing the clocks makes sense to me. I enjoy seeing sunshine before starting my workday. Here’s a great visual on the amount of sunshine you’ll see on a normal schedule. http://andywoodruff.com/blog/where-to-hate-daylight-saving-time-and-where-to-love-it/
@callow That is a lot of information! I started focusing on specific states. Then, if you look at the Pacific Time Zone, its set different, or east Texas. Man, I can’t look away. They need one more - If the US adopted a single time zone.
@callow According to this, the current system works great for the New England states.
So obviously, it’s a good system.
It’s not our fault the rest of you got into covered wagons and rode to Oregon or whatever.
A proposal: instead of all this switching back and forth that ultimately leads us nowhere and disrupts the sleep of honest, hardworking Americans, let’s, instead, just “fall back” the first of every month.
This system would have benefits. We would be advancing… the clocks. Advancing them counterclockwise.
My proposed timekeeping system could be called “arriving at work on time”, or some other name, maybe something more pithy. “More Sleep Time” could work.
Solar noon is already at 2pm for me, so what the hell do timezones matter at all? Just put everybody on GMT! I’ll be happy to come in based on solar noon on the equinox and just base my workday around that. Right now, I’d just work 9-6 instead of 8-5. Not a big change, but I’d take it!
I’m still suffering the DST time change effect. Someone wake me up when September ends.
@ELUNO
/youtube greenday wake me up when September ends
/giphy me too
@earlyre
I completely hate the spring DST changeover today far far more than I hated it yesterday.
My Mood wishes to speak:
"Everything sux today."
Ok, Mood, thanks for sharing.
/giphy sucks
@f00l me too! Yesterday was horrible and I hated everyone and ate everything in sight. Today I just stayed in bed all day instead. DST never used to bother me much but being in my late 40’s I do not like it
I really don’t want it to still be dark after 8:00 a.m. in the winter, and I couldn’t care less about anyone getting more golf time in after work. A lot of kids still walk to school in the morning, do you really think it’s a great idea for them to walk in darkness?
As a kid I hated going to bed in the summer while it was still light, and as a parent I hate trying to get the kids to sleep while it’s still light. My vote is to stay in standard time.
@mattsal23 It appears that your vote means jack squat as the politicians still have not repealed DST. Look we just learned how politics works, politicians don’t do anything we want.
Can someone explain how it makes sense for FL from a $$ perspective?
@davechait
Reduction in medical and accident costs alone might cover the situation.
@davechait I doesn’t seem to hurt AZ, although as a frequent visitor we tend to arrive to events an hour early because we forget.
I love daylight savings time, it was a great dismal day.
I spent my extra hour this evening making my deck safe for small dogs and kids, as I’m pet sitting a small dog over the weekend. I put up a lattice over the previously open woodwork. I liked it better open, but I want everyone to be safe.
