My phone tracks me. My car tracks me. My smart home stuff knows when I am home. Security cameras see me come and go. Security system knows when I arm it. My debit card purchases track me. I share my Google maps location with my mum. My work knows when I log in and out.
@medz@unksol you’ll notice I started both your posts, and others in this thread I may or may not agree with fully. This tech (and many others) is an excellent tool for solving societal issues. But a hammer is an excellent tool and can still be used to murder your spouse so you can steal their money and run off with your lover. So healthy debate/legislation is an important part of helping lower (but realistically never eliminate) the issues of improper use (yes people, murder Is an improper use of a hammer). Thanks for your civil (if a little sarcastic/not quite reduction ad absurdism/etc) discussion. Keep it up, everyone!
@medz or just people who don’t like some weirdo who is behaving like a criminal following them around for absolutely no reason. If a person did this you’d easily be able to get a restraining order. And government employees do abuse it.
I used to like San Francisco despite its hippie rep; my parents honeymooned there in 1961, and my two earlier trips there in the 1980s were kind of nice (barring the non-airconditioned hotel and unseasonably hot weather week).
The last time I was in frisco (early '90s work trip) it was already pretty interesting walking the streets, literally block after block lined with panhandlers, drunks, and junkies. Go into a fast food place for lunch and you’d soon have booths on either side of you occupied by people who started begging loudly for your food, and whom the restaurant employees would not (some said they legally could not) make leave even though they never ordered anything and drove away paying customers.
Some folks from our office went there a year or two into that Newsom idiot’s mayoral reign and said it was even worse, and were the first to bring back tales of street feces and vomit on the sidewalks, aggressive pushy beggars, police not being willing to do anything even if you were pushed or shoved by the panhandlers right in front of them…
I expect they don’t want the advanced monitoring less out of a concern for citizens’ privacy (note the story was all about ‘residents’) and more because it will show up too many repeat offenders about whom nothing is done, or someone will try using it to ID illegal aliens, or frisco politicians and ‘connecteds’ visiting their favorite whore or crack houses.
What do you have to hide? How is it any different from humans looking for familiar faces or perhaps people who look distressed in a crowd? How is it any different from traffic cameras or police cruiser cameras looking for certain license plates?
@medz The problem is not HUMANS looking for FAMILIAR faces in the crowd. It is rather COMPUTERS looking at ALL faces in the crowd, recording EVERYTHING they find, logging names, times, and places for posterity. And government, banks, insurance companies, etc., have a terrible record of keeping hackers out, so just assume that this information will join everything else that is out in the cloud on you. Field day for stalkers, blackmailers, psychopaths, etc. And good luck in trying to dispute whether that was really you when the computer says it was, if you are hauled into court for some reason. Say the computer says your were outside the bank where that ATM was broken into; do you remember where you were at 7:32 pm on Dec. 17?
“Freedom of movement” used to be an expectation, but no longer, I guess.
@medz@phendrick For what it’s worth, I’m pretty familiar with the current state of facial recognition technology, and it’s nowhere near what you’re describing.
A more realistic scenario would be that the police have photos or video of an unidentified criminal and do a search against mugshot databases or drivers’ licenses or something and get a long gallery of possible matches they would need to manually adjudicate.
As medz states below, your cell phone and your smart home appliances are way more effective in tracking you than public cameras and facial recognition.
My phone tracks me. My car tracks me. My smart home stuff knows when I am home. Security cameras see me come and go. Security system knows when I arm it. My debit card purchases track me. I share my Google maps location with my mum. My work knows when I log in and out.
@medz if you choose to be tracked that’s your choice. Lots of people turn that crap off and don’t want to be stalked.
@unksol criminals and ne’er-do-wells
@medz @unksol you’ll notice I started both your posts, and others in this thread I may or may not agree with fully. This tech (and many others) is an excellent tool for solving societal issues. But a hammer is an excellent tool and can still be used to murder your spouse so you can steal their money and run off with your lover. So healthy debate/legislation is an important part of helping lower (but realistically never eliminate) the issues of improper use (yes people, murder Is an improper use of a hammer). Thanks for your civil (if a little sarcastic/not quite reduction ad absurdism/etc) discussion. Keep it up, everyone!
@medz or just people who don’t like some weirdo who is behaving like a criminal following them around for absolutely no reason. If a person did this you’d easily be able to get a restraining order. And government employees do abuse it.
Maybe San Fransisco could use the facial recognition data to catch the street poopers with their pants down.
@therealjrn dare I?
/giphy buttface
@therealjrn - Split the difference - create an ass recognition application that would only identify people whose pants are down. Voilà!
@aetris Simple, yet elegant!
@aetris @therealjrn
Let’s see a pic of your ass then. Want to confirm the alleged simple and lovely elegance.
/giphy Uranus
@aetris Oh pshaw, @f00l! To hear some tell it, I show my ass around here all the time!
@aetris @therealjrn
Seen recently
I used to like San Francisco despite its hippie rep; my parents honeymooned there in 1961, and my two earlier trips there in the 1980s were kind of nice (barring the non-airconditioned hotel and unseasonably hot weather week).
The last time I was in frisco (early '90s work trip) it was already pretty interesting walking the streets, literally block after block lined with panhandlers, drunks, and junkies. Go into a fast food place for lunch and you’d soon have booths on either side of you occupied by people who started begging loudly for your food, and whom the restaurant employees would not (some said they legally could not) make leave even though they never ordered anything and drove away paying customers.
Some folks from our office went there a year or two into that Newsom idiot’s mayoral reign and said it was even worse, and were the first to bring back tales of street feces and vomit on the sidewalks, aggressive pushy beggars, police not being willing to do anything even if you were pushed or shoved by the panhandlers right in front of them…
I expect they don’t want the advanced monitoring less out of a concern for citizens’ privacy (note the story was all about ‘residents’) and more because it will show up too many repeat offenders about whom nothing is done, or someone will try using it to ID illegal aliens, or frisco politicians and ‘connecteds’ visiting their favorite whore or crack houses.
Yeah, I’m a cynic about that place any more. Meh.
So is pooping in the streets of San Francisco still ok @phendrick?
/asking for a friend.
@therealjrn It’s OK with me – I don’t live there.
/giphy street poop
well that sucks, time ran out before I got the right one and added the caption:
“On the Streets of San Francisco”
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/04/16/opinion/facial-recognition-new-york-city.html
Awesome stuff. Government needs to do more of this to make it harder for the bad guys to hide.
POPSOCKETS! COURT DOCKETS! FOLK ROCK HITS! AWESOME!
What do you have to hide? How is it any different from humans looking for familiar faces or perhaps people who look distressed in a crowd? How is it any different from traffic cameras or police cruiser cameras looking for certain license plates?
@medz
Hide?
My ugly mug.
/giphy “ugly mug”
Any different?
Too many obvious examples to enumerate
/giphy “too many”
@medz The problem is not HUMANS looking for FAMILIAR faces in the crowd. It is rather COMPUTERS looking at ALL faces in the crowd, recording EVERYTHING they find, logging names, times, and places for posterity. And government, banks, insurance companies, etc., have a terrible record of keeping hackers out, so just assume that this information will join everything else that is out in the cloud on you. Field day for stalkers, blackmailers, psychopaths, etc. And good luck in trying to dispute whether that was really you when the computer says it was, if you are hauled into court for some reason. Say the computer says your were outside the bank where that ATM was broken into; do you remember where you were at 7:32 pm on Dec. 17?
“Freedom of movement” used to be an expectation, but no longer, I guess.
@phendrick “Person of Interest” was not an over-imagined scenario.
@phendrick
I remember very clearly I was not near an ATM that day.
@therealjrn
EDIT – No.
@medz @phendrick
Now, re Dec 17, 7:32pm:
of which time zone, year, century, and millennium do you enquire? And according to which time-keeping and calendar system?
/giphy millennia
@f00l @medz Hey, baby arm!
@medz @phendrick For what it’s worth, I’m pretty familiar with the current state of facial recognition technology, and it’s nowhere near what you’re describing.
A more realistic scenario would be that the police have photos or video of an unidentified criminal and do a search against mugshot databases or drivers’ licenses or something and get a long gallery of possible matches they would need to manually adjudicate.
As medz states below, your cell phone and your smart home appliances are way more effective in tracking you than public cameras and facial recognition.
@Limewater @medz @phendrick YEah… but it’s one more step down that slippery slope.