I know there are people who love their guns, but not even 4 months ago, there was a mass shooting in my town. People died. This isn’t a game, these aren’t toys. I heard the shots, I knew someone who isn’t around anymore. This isn’t some “you vs me” thing. People are dead. People will continue to die until we can work together and improve the mental health and awareness of EVERYONE out there. I’m tired of living in fear I may be next just for existing the way I am, nobody should be afraid to just exist.
Be good to one another, think about your actions and remember, at the end of the day, your neighbor is still your neighbor.
@mikesmells I am on the same page as you. About 7 or 8 months ago I had just crossed, in the dark, the parking lot where I live to my car. I heard angry male voices. Then there were 5 gunshots. IN. THE. PARKING. LOT. Fortunately I was on the far side of my car, ready to put something in the passenger seat, had my hand on the handle but hadn’t opened the door yet. I ducked behind my car. And waited. Took a month or so before I was able to go to my car at night without a great deal of angst. At one in the morning two people who live here who were drunk and high shot their guns into the air. And there was another incident that I don’t know the details other than I was inside that time too and heard the shots that others said was a fight on the sidewalk in front of our building. Fortunately nothing in the last 4 or 5 months. There is a law you can’t shoot off guns in the city for all the good that does. We are the murder capital of the nation (per capita).
@DylanPeck@PHRoG I appreciate you posting that article. It makes them sound like they are loved by the alt-right, but are not necessarily alt-right themselves.
I don’t have a positive view of the brand, but that article actually made me have a less negative view than I did before.
I am assuming there must be more damning information about the company out there, because this isn’t really it.
@bugger@omally John Green says their coffee sucks as much as their politics. Employees say they don’t even really support or stand for those right wing politics and it’s all marketing grift. not too surprised.
This veteran and coffee lover will pass. I’m content to keep sourcing the beans I use from a queer owned company.out of West Virginia and a Colorado company a hobo friend turned me on to.
Oh, and fair trade coffee I buy from the Presbyterian church.
Wouldn’t mind seeing those Rise nitro cold brews happen again though. They were interesting and pretty damned good.
@blaeries@PHRoG LMAO You know you can search specific sites that show what companies source from China. This company absolutely does not. You insanely fucking wrong. Possibly one of the dumbest rants I’ve seen. [removed sexist and needless bad behavior]
@blaeries@PHRoG yep they bought all the machinery to make and package the coffee from China why you ask? Because NAFTA killed all the us companies and very few if any make the machinery needed to produce coffee. So your leftist voting forced BRCC to buy machinery from China. Just like apple, Tesla and thousands of other companies out there. Our choices are limited. So together. Me and you blaeries together can bring companies back to America. Vote Republican and save our country. Can I count on you??!
"According to the publication, Tesla is the most American car brand, with 100 percent of its sales coming from vehicles produced domestically. Ford is the next closest with 77.5 percent, and Honda landed at number three with 73.1 percent. "
@blaeries@bugger@PHRoG it’s quite humorous that you insinuate that PHRoG should be insulted by playing in women’s sports. Many women athletes would stomp all over most people, let alone ones that allude to them being somehow less than that thing that’s being tucked. Maybe you should get on the pitch with the black ferns with that same rhetoric and see how that plays out!
@bugger bUt WhAt aBoUt cHiNA. What about the children who don’t come home from school one day, the grandmothers gunned down at supermarkets, the literal fear we live in on our HOME TURF. How often did you have to do lock down drills as a kid? Every child in America now has to plan ahead in case someone crazy enough comes in with a legally purchased rifle, thanks to the NRA’s lobbying. The leading cause of death in adolescents is gun violence. It has beaten cancer. You’d rather talk about anything that that and that’s just sad
I’m far enough left to loop around to thinking rifles are good, but regardless of what side you’re on this company sucks ass. (But I guess if they’ve landed here, they’re already not getting money from it.)
They routinely run overt anti-immigration and white supremacist ads and then pull the “LOL it’s a prank bro!!” defense when called out on it and delete everything.
Buy some Maxwell House and use the money you save on arming the less fortunate.
@brennyn I assume the same thing. They market themselves as far-right conservative, but the companies actions are the opposite. I guess trying to have both sides is catching up with them, but it helped the company explode in popularity. I see them all over the place now.
Their two-faced tactics make me wonder what type of people run the company, but only enough to make assumptions and not actually confirm.
Black Rifle has made glorifying fascists part of their brand (particularly Kyle Rittenhouse) and I hope they fail and I will never support them.
Meh is just trying to make a buck on some expired or expiring merchandise. I’d prefer they didn’t sell anything from Black Rifle but I don’t take it as an endorsement of the company.
Capitalism tells us to vote with our dollar but it’s better to vote with our votes. People trying to ‘own the libs’ by supporting these companies are just playing right into the some scheme that keeps us all under the boot of the ultra wealthy.
@redshift LOL, what exactly is “fascist” about a company. In classical terminology not the synonym for “intolerant”. I get that they’re intolerant of their political opponent’s platform pieces but, fascist? Really? I’m genuinely curious what that even means nowadays. Certainly not the same thing it did when I was in political science, lol.
@House fascist as in supporting fascism. When a company exhaults a kid who murdered protesters peacefully pushing for change that’s a sign. When they use MAGA talking points that’s a sign. It’s all a way to signal that things used to be better and we need a big strong man to take us back there. That’s the whole alt right playbook. Even though better in the past applies to less and less people as you go backward.
Not sure if you are serious or not but here’s a good way to check what could be considered fascist. Higher score should raise some alarm bells.
@nightforge You should check into to that. Located in Texas you can take a tour to prove your 1000% wrong. Leftist lies please stop. [Projecting] is not a good reason to try and fool people into your lies. Do some research. Couldn’t hurt ya to be right for a change. JMO
@bugger you really think those maga fanatics are giving positive reviews for the taste? Same reason they support Trump; he’s not a “good” candidate, but he “owns the libs” so they love him. Easy to win that lot over.
I knew the second I saw the product name, the discourse would be massive…this thread has shown me at least one user to avoid in future interactions, as well. I have never been an overly political person, but the depths to which some on the right will sink is truly sad. Basic human rights seem lost on them…I better stop before they come after me next LOL
@BradyisGoat Calling an entire group that you disagree with “nazis” is exactly what I’m talking about. It’s so over-the-top and sensationalized, it blows my mind. Again, get a grip. It’s like none of you have any idea what a nazi or fascism actually is.
@TBoneZeOriginal Compared with this company, Nestlé is much more lucrative and powerful, far more evil, and is most certainly responsible for large amounts of death and suffering worldwide. However, I am guessing that if Meh were to sell a Nestlé coffee brand, we wouldn’t see anywhere near this level of controversy. It is not so much an issue of ethics as one of perceived identity.
@dumb_cookie@TBoneZeOriginal the difference is Nestle is a global company that owns like 95% of our food supply. It’s basically impossible to avoid Nestle. And boycotting a single product from them would have zero impact on them or send any message. Nestle also doesn’t intentionally market to the alt-right. BRCC does, and is a small independent company who you can actually impact by letting your wallet do the talking.
@TBoneZeOriginal It’s really easy to discount the opinions and feelings of marginalized groups when you’re speaking from a position of privilege. Some groups are specifically targeted by fascists, and Black Rifle Coffee Company has reached out to and supported fascists in their marketing and advertising. It’s pretty simple - don’t buy BRCC products, and don’t buy BRCC products from Meh. Speak with your wallet, fascists have no place here.
…Godwin himself took to Facebook to let everyone know that if it walks like a Nazi and talks like a Nazi, you better let people know what it really is.
As for Black Rifle, I can tell from their trade dress that they embrace the aggression lifestyle that I despise, and at that point I do not care whether their politics are merely neocentrist or far right; they’re on my no-buy list.
@windfish113 Am I misunderstanding the business model here? Doesn’t this mean that the alt right maga coffee company couldn’t sell these at a profit so they sold them at a loss to Meh so meh can make a profit? Isn’t this like drinking a cup of MAGA tears or something like that?
@charliekno@Seeds now-- 1) if BRCC was filing for bankruptcy because of their failed marketing campaign, and 2) Meh got this one-off purchase dirt cheap as a result, and 3) The ‘coffee’ tasted decent and didn’t have ~15+ bizarre ingredients in it, maybe it’d be time to celebrate.
@charliekno@windfish113 Buying this stuff from Meh will effectively tell them that it’s okay to support fascists, since they “helped out” BRCC by buying otherwise unsellable stock from them (Meh buys nearly-expired stock from retailers and vendors, which is why food/drink products are usually only 1-2 months away from “use by” dates, or have already passed that point.) If Meh ends up having a bunch of rapidly expiring coffee in the warehouse and they can’t sell it, it sends a message that their consumers won’t support fascist groups or people who support them, and they will be less likely to “bail out” such companies in the future.
@charliekno@mehshark@windfish113 LOL, I see this term casually tossed out all the time to describe someone that’s of the opposite political spectrum but I’ve honestly never seen any actually articulate what is intrinsically “fascist” about a company. I’m not talking about the new definition which just basically means “intolerant”. But just being intolerant of another political ideology doesn’t automatically make someone a fascist, just like you being intolerant of their political views, doesn’t make you a fascist. Now if you had said that the government should be intervening and putting these guys out of business because they don’t fall in line with the current political party in power and their presence in society is a danger to us all, then you might be a fascist LOL
Mmmm… This is the most partisan coffee I’ve seen here!
I sure do miss the times when not everything was about politics. This company is mostly a product of the times when it is, so I’m not surprised by the discourse here.
I will say this: Meh has already bought the coffee, probably for next to nothing. Whether or not anyone buys it from Meh will not affect a single penny going to the people you support/loathe who may or may not have ever touched this product. They’ve gotten what they’re gonna get, and the only people who are going to get more or less money now are the people at Meh.
@mediocrebot@medz T2T, veterans association in many states. They don’t send any money to assist in gender operations or donate coffee for illegal immigrants smuggling in drugs. That’s Bidens deal. We’re the only country with no border. Sad right!?
@alacrity wow now that’s pretty sad. Not sure if your against our military or hate veterans with mental issues. Or maybe all people with mental issues. Either way you seem quite triggered. Not a very strong spine I guess. Don’t get upset when shit goes up 200% in price and crime and drugs increase under America hating Biden and his puppeteers. Biden makes me miss Bill Clinton a lot!
@bugger What’s sad is you seem to have no sense of geography. Last I looked we have both a northern border we share with Canada and a southern one we share with Mexico.
As a veteran and USA lover who does not share your unfounded views I think Meh is a much nicer place without your political rants.
@mediocrebot@nightforge The use by date is coming up or a big order was cancelled. That how MEH works. Over runs or overstocked items mostly. Perishable products seems to land here a lot. So your saying everything that MEH sell is a product that is hated by so many people they have to dump it here? Confused a bit on that one. Regroup and try again. This time put some effort into It nightforge
@steeltoesenator I’m talking 90% of the issue is Mexicos border with us. You disagree? You think 7 million people illegally crossing into the US is great and perfect? Do you think 20 million would be better. Do you love fentanyl? 70,000+ deaths a year and 200,000 overdoses a year is great for us? That acceptable? Oh boy. USA loving. That your not. Also, FYI, I’m only responding to the people who are whole heartily stating their politely beliefs on this company and their product. Read back and take a look. Sorry to slap you so hard but that was some [needless name-calling] stuff you said. Very contradictory indeed steeltoeseantor? Really!!?
@Thelordcurtis Eh, the dopes have presumably already sold this stuff at a loss to Meh. Why does Meh need to lose money too? If you like overly sweet cold coffee just slap it in a Dark Brandon coozie to hide their dumb logo and enjoy drinking a cuppa lost revenue.
@DonWhiteside@Thelordcurtis@snapster is probably just doing another retail experiment with us all… still have no interest in encouraging meh to bail out politically motivated companies or failed ‘alt-health’ food products companies either. There have even been products over the years here with batteries, refurbs that were really just returns, or just e-waste in general that I’m convinced meh was actually paid to take, that they pawned off on us to avoid having to deal with hazardous waste disposal (PowerExtra jumpstarters, etc)!
@Thelordcurtis The best-by date is 01/2024. I don’t know how far out they date this product, but the cans could be over a year and a half post-brew for all I know. I have no idea whether that means the coffee is likely to be even more awful than when it was fresh. (I don’t do coffee, so to me, it’s awful from the get-go.)
@caffeineguy@DonWhiteside@snapster@Thelordcurtis Meh more likely bought this batch from a distributor than the manufacturer. Without access to the details of the brand’s contract, it’s impossible to say who lost what when these were remaindered. And even that wouldn’t tell you why this batch was remaindered.
@DonWhiteside@Thelordcurtis Meh needs to lose money on this because they supported a company that’s in bed with fascist groups by buying off their overstock. We as consumers need to vote with our wallets and send the message that aiding fascists is not a profitable venture.
@phendrick I agree with you on that one. I would rather not have to shout down the lefty loons because they hate a company that is right wing when I’m more in the center I have voted democrat and I voted Republican if it’s the right person that’s who I vote for, but it’s crazy how these people will buy billions of items from China who suppresses their people and puts them into slavery and half of these sweat shops but be damned if you buy coffee from a company in the USA that does none of that. are they perfect guaranteed they’re not, but they’re a hell of a lot better than a Chinese company over and out
@phendrick All politics aside, this coffee just tastes terrible. Kind of leaves the lingering feeling of putting too much creamer in your coffee even when you don’t add any. Not sure what they’re doing to it.
@mehshark fuck you for your baseless accusation. I was not defending any fascists. I was commenting on how I do not come to this web site to read other people’s political rants.
ANTIFA is anti-fascist, as their name implies. Do you defend them and all their actions?
And fuck all those who starred your baseless accusation. They also are on record as being mindless.
@phendrick You have a lot of reading to do, I think. Start with the Civil Rights Movement. Pay close attention to what Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr had to say about the white moderates - people who would rather turn a blind eye to injustice than be inconvenienced by having to stand against it. Simply put, if the status quo and structures of power are built around oppression, it is literally impossible to effect changes without damaging and breaking those structures - this is also why socialism is so closely intertwined with these movements, because the roots of all of this go back to capitalism. You have to make up your mind - will you stand against injustice and be inconvenienced, or will you be a coward and allow injustices to keep taking place because you can’t be bothered to suffer through some minor inconvenience?
Next, you should probably find valid sources for your information. Blaming rioting and associated damages on antifa is a well-known bit of disinformation perpetuated by right-wing outlets. Don’t read from Fox, CNN, etc - get it direct from Reuters and Associated Press. The source information comes from those services in the first place, in most instances, and those services are some of the only objective/“just the facts, ma’am” news agencies left. Fox, CNN, MSNBC, and all the others place their own spin and agenda on top after they pull the information from Reuters and AP. Those outlets should all be categorized as “entertainment,” not “information.”
I’ve had these cans before & it’s a buy for this price if you need some convenient “to go” coffee in the fridge for those mornings when you don’t want to wait for your own to brew. BTW to both “sides” - nobody is gonna change their political views by reading a meh comment section .
@Commonwealth109 I doubt some will change their political views based on anything, including science, facts with evidence, or anything else at this point in this country. Unfortunately thoughtful political discourse between apposing sides appears to be a rare occurrence as it takes both sides to behave like adults and be rational for that to happen.
@phendrick I apparently misread the comment I was staring. I was staring the criticism of the dichotomy presented. I didn’t catch, apparently the rest of it as I was only skimming this ugly mess. I have now unstared it. I still think all the political shit needs to stay off this forum. Mentioning the politics of the coffee company is one thing and worth knowing for those of us that care (as I’d do despite hating coffee). What this degenerated to is out of hand and inappropriate. As I said earlier adult, thoughtful discussion (in my opinion) is fine. This thread is mostly not that.
@Kidsandliz I am particularly sensitive to all this talk about “fascists”. The dumb shits on here have never witnessed true fascism, and the extremists on the far right in our country are nowhere close to such a thing.
My father was part of the World War II effort that fought the Nazis, the Blackshirts of Mussolini, and the minions of the Japanese Emperor. Those were actual fascists. Talk to some of their victims ( a few still living) if you want to know about true fascism. My father got wounded and a Purple Heart for his efforts.
When I was small and noticed the scar, he didn’t want to talk about it. And he stayed that way. I only knew he had a Purple Heart because I found it once when nosing around in some of his things.
He still had the scar when he died. I hold on to his Purple Heart.
He would truly be appalled at what goes on in this country now as “protest”.
When I see the ANTIFA group, I am reminded of the Blackshirts of Mussolini or the Brownshirts of Hitler. The only difference is these don’t usually march in formation. Likewise they don’t hold themselves accountable. It’s beyond me how any rational person can excuse their actions. Does the end really justify the means?
If your post above is an apology of sorts, I accept it. (I wonder if there will be any others. I won’t hold my breath.) Thanks for getting back to me.
@phendrick My apologies also for getting too caught up with the opening line and misreading the subsequent direct accusation. Like @kidsandliz, that certainly wasn’t my intention either. The post in context has been unstarred by me.
@phendrick One of my mom’s uncles was caught up in the war while running a university on the east coast of China. My dad was on a ship in the pacific. Where I grew up it was about a third Jewish (our public schools celebrated all Jewish and Christian holidays - which dragged school further into the summer to get our 180 days but as kids we didn’t realize that) and a number of my friend’s parents (who were kids at the time) and grandparents had tattoos from concentration camps. They mostly didn’t talk about it although made sure I knew they had them and was aware of what they meant.
@Kidsandliz@phendrick Same boat here. I starred a comment that to me was (correctly) implying the company that makes this coffee is reprehensible, and for my almost nonexistent effort, I got publicly blamed and shamed and told ‘fuck you’ and called mindless, along with a dozen and a half other members. This needs to stop. That action was way beyond acceptable.
@phendrick@PooltoyWolf It seems as if whenever politics comes up some people believe it is appropriate to become vicious, nasty, rude and engage in name calling. Clearly that bunch was not brought up right.
@cengland0@Nikademus1969@werehatrack Thank you for answering my question. Quick internet searches didn’t return anything that made me raise an eyebrow since it’s in root vegetables, onions, and garlic.
I had come here to make a snarky pun comment - something along the lines of: is this a kill you coffee made by a gun company? I was unaware of anything about the company, it’s politics, or even if the coffee sucked or not (I hate coffee, including the smell of it). Imagine my surprise with this thread.
Nice to see we can have an adult (/s) conversation going on here full of 5 year old name calling by a couple of people - especially one mehember. Sheesh. I can see meh will be back to banning politics on threads except ones with that in the title.
Any other brand and I would have been an easy customer. I’m not holding it against Meh that they are selling this product. It’s a bargain, which is their main deal. I hope they are as good as the last coffee bargain for the lucky customers who pick these up.
@806D2701@crispy1260 Except by purchasing this from Meh, you’re telling them that it’s okay that they supported a fascist-aligned company. BRCC would have had to take a complete loss on the overstock if Meh had not purchased it from them - instead of getting cents on the dollar, they would have gotten zero.
@crispy1260 I was literally cursed out by a senior executive during a contract negotiation because I wouldn’t give into their ridiculous demands. I walked away from the deal, it wasn’t worth it to me or my company to do business with a company that treats their vendors that way. Political leanings aside, I’ll never buy anything from them.
@hilwil, we’re in the same boat then. I will not be a customer because the product doesn’t interest me, given its marketing. I’d rather pick up a bag from Awesome Coffee Club and do some good in the world with my brew than support political theatre.
@806D2701@mehshark This is under the assumption that there wouldn’t be other buyers. Worst case scenario, it goes to a fertilizer company. There isn’t a scenario in which BRCC wins if they are selling in-line products on Meh.com at this price.
@caffeineguy There’s absolutely no winning here. No matter what we say it will be attacked as a weak response or too heavy-handed. We’ve already done a bit of censoring as some comments/replies went over the line and strayed into personal attacks rather than just a defense of one’s position.
Also, I’m not here to defend (and sure as hell not to support) today’s offer, but I wanted to clarify that staff is present.
@ExtraMedium I figured y’all were present and thought I noticed a little thinning of the herd; can’t imagine any staff member was looking forward to losing a day playing forum babysitter. Dump the rest in the IRKs Or offload them with an equally polarizing item.
@caffeineguy@ExtraMedium Dump them in irks? You wanting to start WW3 on here? They better not ruin an irk reveal thread. I’d hate to see what that would degenerate into. Well unless they send them only to folks who support that company.
@Kidsandliz I’m not buying these on principle, but I’d probably drink 'em if they appeared in my fridge; That said, I did pick up a few almost-free cases of Bud Light when they were running the “oops we f-ed up” rebate promotion 2mos ago. Still tasted like piss water, but was basically free piss water.
Oh, no, they’re basically posers, pretending to be all gruntly man with guns coffee, while at the same time supporting leftwing ideas and politicians. It’s disingenuous. Just because it’s veteran owned, doesn’t make them good people.
Kinda amazing how there’s like one post on the taste of the coffee and a gazillion on politics.
For all those making divisive comments, that is certainly a reflection of the state of our society.
Seems folks forget the golden rule “do unto others . . .”
I suppose it’s too much to ask for consistency - if you don’t support this coffee for its politics OR if you support this coffee because of its politics, then you wouldn’t buy anything made in any country that has politics very different than what you believe.
So can anyone comment please on the coffee, especially as compared to the past two canned coffees that meh has sold?
@hammi99 I have 2 rankings First ranking is Taste: I like 1) Rise the best, 2) Black Rifle Coffee, 3) Super Coffee; this isn’t to say Super Coffee doesn’t taste good (I like it as much as a ready to drink Frappucino in most cases) but it is hard to achieve the flavor profile others can with ingredients which are high protein (milk or pea for super coffee) and are sweetened with stevia and monk fruit whereas Black Rifle has actual sugar and Rise 10g of natural sugars
Second ranking Nutrition Profile 1) Super Coffee, 2) Rise, 3) Black Rifle Coffee
Super Coffee has protein, MCT’s and is naturally sweetened. Black Rifle has protein & some flavors have MCT’s & Aminos but also sugar. The Rise flavor Meh offered was organic and used Oatmilk and is naturally sweetened but does have 10g of sugar.
@faxtory thank you for that. I quite liked Rise, not a fan of Super Coffee. So this seems in between. Will give it a whirl and see. I didn’t like how Super Coffee tastes similar to artificial sweeteners.
I was just trying to scroll through the comments to see if people recommended the flavor profile or not. Turns out, I should’ve just scrolled straight to the bottom because that’s where the answer was.
@ironcheftoni@Kyeh Wichita would be a tiny blue dot, as would a few parts of the KC area, but the rest…
Oddly enough, just like a lot of the rest of the country, most of the folks there are remarkably tolerant and accommodating individually. It’s when they gather in groups that they seem to change and adopt the mob mentality. (One should not count on this everywhere, though.)
N.B.: The heckling was pretty much covered in the current writeup in my opinion, so there wasn’t as much need for either righteous indignation, slavish devotion, questioning of the need for something vile, or other such commentary as last time. Not that this has deterred any of it.
Nice dance to avoid answering my question.
I don’t disagree about the importance of MLK. Funny, as I recall, he was all about non-violence, however.
Sounds like you might have been one of those in the black hoods and masks. (MLK and his supporters were afraid of those in white ones, so nice turnaround.)
I assume you cannot answer my question about quoting what I said to defend “fascists”, so will just post other shit.
(Little bit down here removed by your friendly neighborhood VolMod)
@Kyeh@medz In case you hadn’t noticed, Meh has left the sale active for at least a day after it gets replaced most of the time for the past year or two. Only sold-out and 'Thon listings are routinely disabled at rollover. I’ve seen a few that persisted for a week.